Paul's Relentless "Calvinism" Drove His Evangelical Effort

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Spurgeon

A.W. Pink a very smart man that I would say all he taught was not bad and was an Island to himself and he could learned a lot from Spurgeon if he would listen, that is my conclusion.

I do not put my stock in election, but in Jesus.

God elected Israel, but they were cut out not because they were not elected but for unbelief, and He kept those who did not lean on their own understanding but trusted in the Lord. Then He included with them Gentiles that heard the Gospel of their salvation having believed. That the elect are those who trust in the Lord.

If I have to make my election sure or to trust in the Lord and I will not be put to shame or not disappointed I will choose to trust in the Lord.

God has set before us life and death through the Gospel so choose Jesus and live.

 

[preacher4truth]

A.W. Pink a very smart man that I would say all he taught was not bad and was an Island to himself and he could learned a lot from Spurgeon if he would listen, that is my conclusion.

I do not put my stock in election, but in Jesus.

God elected Israel, but they were cut out not because they were not elected but for unbelief, and He kept those who did not lean on their own understanding but trusted in the Lord. Then He included with them Gentiles that heard the Gospel of their salvation having believed. That the elect are those who trust in the Lord.

If I have to make my election sure or to trust in the Lord and I will not be put to shame or not disappointed I will choose to trust in the Lord.

God has set before us life and death through the Gospel so choose Jesus and live.

The statement you don't put your stock in election but Jesus is quaint, but not theologically accurate, nor does it reflect my comments nor Pauls trust.

No one is trusting election, but the Elector.

If you actually would read what was said in my post, it is attributing all of this to trusting in God's leadership first and foremost, to lead us to His elect, not in His doctrine.

He chose election as His means.

To put hope in the fact that God has elected, and that His elected are out there, is not placing stock in the elect, but in He who did the electing.

This is trusting in Him, in knowing Him and how He works. See Genesis 33.

- Peace

 

[WestminsterMan]

RC people do not like to be told that they have a works gospel...but they do,even if the use the word grace sometimes.

When people do not use the terms....they are then accused of being deceitful...and avoiding the label.

RC Christians don't like to be told what they believe just like I don't like to be told what I believe. I think I know better what I believe than anyone else. If someone disagrees with me on my actual beliefs in lieu of a false representation of them, then I have no problem with that at all. Ultimately, I think Calvinism has been fairly represented by those who disagree with it here.

WM

WM

 

[JesusFan]

The statement you don't put your stock in election but Jesus is quaint, but not theologically accurate, nor does it reflect my comments nor Pauls trust.

No one is trusting election, but the Elector.

If you actually would read what was said in my post, it is attributing all of this to trusting in God's leadership first and foremost, to lead us to His elect, not in His doctrine.

He chose election as His means.

To put hope in the fact that God has elected, and that His elected are out there, is not placing stock in the elect, but in He who did the electing.

This is trusting in Him, in knowing Him and how He works. See Genesis 33.

- Peace

have to decide on just WHAT basis the Lord has decided to base His divine election of the saints upon...

based On HIS good pleasure and divine Will, or else on us, on our "freewill" response?

As for me, I MUCH rather have it based upon the Soveirgn Will of God...

Thats Just me!

 

[WestminsterMan]

Think that ALl of us can "proof text" the Bible and come to the conclusion jesus and paul were/ were not Cal/Arms etc!

Think best to label this as under "pauline Theology"

And that is a bad thing?

 

[JesusFan]

And that is a bad thing?

No, it is the "best" thing!
lets give credit to where credit is really due!

 

[HankD]

"Paul's Relentless 'Calvinism' Drove His Evangelical Effort"

Really? This statement is a classic argumentum ad absurdum.

Did Paul have the Institutes of the Christian Religion approximately 1500 years before they were written?

Did God inspire the apostle Paul or Calvin?

We need to focus upon God and His word not man and his words.

If we find a true interpretation of the word of God by a human being concerning the grace of God, then we need to focus on God not the man.

HankD

 

[psalms109:31]

Trust

You can see throughout scripture that the elect are those who trusted God and not themselve. They were simple cut out disowned because of unbelief .To God trusting in him is not work, it is acknowledgement of what He has done.

We are saved by grace because of our debt we don't have to pay. Jesus paid it acknowledgement is not work. To tell the world of what He has done is a praise that God has giving me to give

Election did not save the Jews because of their unbelief they can be grafted back in if they do not continue in it

 

[Rippon]

I don't see Calvinism anywhere in the bible, especially not in any of Paul's writings.

"That exalted system of Pauline truth which is tecnically called Calvinism." (John Broadus)

 

[JesusFan]

"That exalted system of Pauline truth which is tecnically called Calvinism." (John Broadus)

Apostle paul wrote His theology directly inspired by the Lord, ALL systems regardless if Cals/Arm/other try to "understand/interprete " it

Cal better than others, but NOT only way, nor the Bible!

 

[preacher4truth]

"Paul's Relentless 'Calvinism' Drove His Evangelical Effort"

Really? This statement is a classic argumentum ad absurdum.

Did Paul have the Institutes of the Christian Religion approximately 1500 years before they were written?

Did God inspire the apostle Paul or Calvin?

We need to focus upon God and His word not man and his words.

If we find a true interpretation of the word of God by a human being concerning the grace of God, then we need to focus on God not the man.


HankD

I've heard this from you elsewhere. Perhaps you can get to the arguments of the OP and past the title?

Who said he had the Institutes? Where did we get our belief in election? Scripture, as the one used in the OP, or the Institutes?

The focus in here is the text, not the title.

I feel your objective is ad hominem toward the title.

My focus is on God, not man. I've never mentioned nor have I read The Institutes of the Christian Religion.

The point is, some would, as you are, when pointing to election mentioned in the passage, cry "Calvinism!"

Paul didn't have the Institutes, he had the Scriptures from whence they came. "Election" is in my chosen text. Many equate that to Calvinism just at mere mention of the word "chosen" or "elect." Thus the title of the OP.


- Peace

 

[psalms109:31]

Save one of them

His whole effort was to know Christ and Him crucified.

That he can get his own people to jealousy so he might save some of them.

That he himself when He preached would not be disqualified for the prize.

To fight the good fight.

That he would work out his salvation with fear and trembling.

That people will trust in God and not themselves.

 

[preacher4truth]

His whole effort was to know Christ and Him crucified.

That he can get his own people to jealousy so he might save some of them.

That he himself when He preached would not be disqualified for the prize.

To fight the good fight.

That he would work out his salvation with fear and trembling.

That people will trust in God and not themselves.

You're still orbiting the text never touching upon it.

 

[webdog]

"Paul's Relentless 'Calvinism' Drove His Evangelical Effort"

Really? This statement is a classic argumentum ad absurdum.

Did Paul have the Institutes of the Christian Religion approximately 1500 years before they were written?

Did God inspire the apostle Paul or Calvin?

We need to focus upon God and His word not man and his words.

If we find a true interpretation of the word of God by a human being concerning the grace of God, then we need to focus on God not the man.

HankD

Hearty AMEN :thumbs:

 

[psalms109:31]

Forgive me then I can't focus on one thing the scripture presents, it isn't good for anyone.I have ADHD and all out of meds

 

[preacher4truth]

Forgive me then I can't focus on one thing the scripture presents, it isn't good for anyone.I have ADHD and all out of meds

I can empathize with you, our 11 year old son suffers from this.

I hope you have access to get some meds.

- Peace

 

[Rippon]

A.W. Pink a very smart man that I would say all he taught was not bad and was an Island to himself and he could learned a lot from Spurgeon if he would listen, that is my conclusion.

How many A.W.Pink books have you read in their entirety? Outside the biblical canon Arthur Pink probably quoted Spurgeon more than anyone else in his works. I can think of no other man outside of Dr.D.M.Lloyd-Jones who had more in common with him doctrinally. A.W.P. was the bridge bringing Spurgeon's kind of preaching and theology to the 20th century.

Here's a memorable line of his:

How many who now speak of him eulogistically,and refer to him as "the beloved Spurgeon",would gnash their teeth and excrete him were they to hear his faithful and plain-spoken preaching. (Taken from The Doctine Of Election: Its Justice)

 

[psalms109:31]

How many A.W.Pink books have you read in their entirety? Outside the biblical canon Arthur Pink probably quoted Spurgeon more than anyone else in his works. I can think of no other man outside of Dr.D.M.Lloyd-Jones who had more in common with him doctrinally. A.W.P. was the bridge bringing Spurgeon's kind of preaching and theology to the 20th century.

Here's a memorable line of his:

How many who now speak of him eulogistically,and refer to him as "the beloved Spurgeon",would gnash their teeth and excrete him were they to hear his faithful and plain-spoken preaching. (Taken from The Doctine Of Election: Its Justice)

I like my signature and i see that Spurgeon was talking about people like A.W. Pink.

I loved the pages of A.W. Pink that you have posted, but when he molds scripture to his doctrine like world and all, me I had to turn away from him. This is how I see it sorry.

I do not have to trust in Pink and how he sees world and all to be saved , but Jesus.

 

[HankD]

I've heard this from you elsewhere. Perhaps you can get to the arguments of the OP and past the title?

This is a debate forum, not an argument forum.

Who said he had the Institutes? Where did we get our belief in election?

Again, that is not my point, your title implies that Paul knew the calvinist doctrine that is found in the Institues. How could his "calvinism" be described as "calvinism" if calvin himself did not exist?

"Paul's Relentless 'Calvinism' Drove His Evangelical Effort"

Why not talk about his relentless "Catholicism" seeing he was a paedo-baptiser (baby baptizer) also classifying baptism as a vehicle of grace by assigning it the term "sacrament"?

I feel your objective is ad hominem toward the title.

To whom, you or Calvin? In any case, that is neither affirmed or denied brother, I am powerless to affect how you perceive it to be.

The point is, some would, as you are, when pointing to election mentioned in the passage, cry "Calvinism!"

Um, you are the one using this phrase in the O/P title question.

"Paul's Relentless 'Calvinism' Drove His Evangelical Effort"

If you have never read him why do you use his name?

HankD

 

[preacher4truth]

This is a debate forum, not an argument forum.

Debate; to engage in argument or discussion, as in a legislative or public assembly:

It's called a synonym.

Again, that is not my point, your title implies that Paul knew the calvinist doctrine that is found in the Institues. How could his "calvinism" be described as "calvinism" if calvin himself did not exist?

No. You assume all the above. I never once mentioned Paul knew the Institutes. You're getting way off track here. I smell straw. Don't pretend you know my intentions. My intentions were to draw attention to the fact that when one uses the word "elect" one is automatically believed to be Calvinistic, thus for whom (the elect) Paul suffered persecution, it's right there in the text I've used. Thus the OP title with Calvinism in parentheses.

"Paul's Relentless 'Calvinism' Drove His Evangelical Effort"

Amen!!! :thumbsup:

Now onto the text at hand, or do you stay only with your ad hominem attack on my title, and continue to miss the point altogether, which involves a text associated with Paul and his driving zeal and knowledge of the elect?

Why concentrate only on what you see as negative?

Why not talk about his relentless "Catholicism" seeing he was a paedo-baptiser (baby baptizer) also classifying baptism as a vehicle of grace by assigning it the term "sacrament"?

Perhaps you should do this and elaborate on your belief here? I don't happen to believe this.

Um, you are the one using this phrase in the O/P title question.

"Paul's Relentless 'Calvinism' Drove His Evangelical Effort"

If you have never read him why do you use his name?

HankD

Because I can? I've read little from him, but much about him. Do you go study about Calvin Klein before you wear his clothes with his name on them? Ralph Lauren? How dare you. Same reasoning, same straw man.


- Peace