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Paul's salvation

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saturneptune

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awaken said:
Do I understand you to say that you believe that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the pouring out of the Holy Spirit to be the same, and that it is not for today? How do you back up that Jesus does not baptize in the Spirit anymore?
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I stand corrected. Possession of the Holy Spirit and Baptism of the Holy Spirit are the interchangable terms I use. Pouring out was done during the unique period. I think the best description of filled with the Holy Spirit was in this thread that said it is the Holy Spirit in you, vs Baptism of the Holy Spirit is you in Holy Spirit.
 
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awaken

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saturneptune said:
I stand corrected. Possession of the Holy Spirit and Baptism of the Holy Spirit are the interchangable terms I use. Pouring out was done during the unique period. I think the best description of filled with the Holy Spirit was in this thread that said it is the Holy Spirit in you, vs Baptism of the Holy Spirit is you in Holy Spirit.
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So when do you think Paul was saved on the road when he met Jesus or when Ananias laid hands on him?
 
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WITBOTL

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While this doesn't speak to the question about Paul being filled with the Holy Spirit after Ananias laid hands on him I think it is appropriate to compare Paul with the other apostles.

I believe Paul was saved on the road when he was called by Jesus, just as I believe the same for the other apostles. Ananias finds Paul praying which is pretty convincing picture of the behaviour of a new Christian.

We need to distinguish between "Filled with the Holy Spirit" and the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit
 
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awaken

Active Member
WITBOTL said:
While this doesn't speak to the question about Paul being filled with the Holy Spirit after Ananias laid hands on him I think it is appropriate to compare Paul with the other apostles.

I believe Paul was saved on the road when he was called by Jesus, just as I believe the same for the other apostles. Ananias finds Paul praying which is pretty convincing picture of the behaviour of a new Christian.

We need to distinguish between "Filled with the Holy Spirit" and the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit
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Yes! I have ask this question several times! What is the difference in "Spirit indwelled" "Spirit upon" "Holy Spirit baptism" "filled with the Spirit"?
 
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Hawkins

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awaken said:
When was Paul actually saved?
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Whenever "saved" is concerned, one is talking about an identity of "God's child". Paul was first given the title of "God's servant" through which he's saved through his faith on Jesus Christ.

Paul ever say that he's a Christian. Christian = a follower of Christ and thus be saved through Him.
 
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awaken

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Hawkins said:
Whenever "saved" is concerned, one is talking about an identity of "God's child". Paul was first given the title of "God's servant" through which he's saved through his faith on Jesus Christ.

Paul ever say that he's a Christian. Christian = a follower of Christ and thus be saved through Him.
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Not sure what you are getting at..So are you saying that Paul was saved when he surrendered to obey/follow Christ? That was on the road, right?
 
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MB

Well-Known Member
awaken said:
I see Paul saved on the road to Damascus too! So what happen three days later when Ananias laid hands on him?
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He was healed and he received the Holy Spirit.

Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

The laying on of hands is how he received the comforter. This does not mean He wasn't saved before he received.
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awaken

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MB said:
He was healed and he received the Holy Spirit.

Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

The laying on of hands is how he received the comforter. This does not mean He wasn't saved before he received.
MB
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So you are saying that Paul had two experiences?
 
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