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Pediatric Cardiologist: Biden-Harris' Health Plan Will Destroy the Middle Class & Kill Americans

Scott Downey

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Pediatric Cardiologist: Biden-Harris' Health Plan Will Destroy the Middle Class & Kill Americans (westernjournal.com)

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It is what Dems don't say that matters. Just as Obama said Obamacare "..is not about taking Grandma of life support." The goal of Obamacare was to ensure Grandma did not get on life support to begin with. Dems know "free healthcare for all" sounds so much better than "rationing for all." I lived in Europe for 13 years and saw it first hand. Dems use the straw man argument that it will "reduce health care costs for working families." People will not pay for each doctor visit, but they will see an annual Federal tax increase of at least 3-6 thousand dollars. (Probably More) Government healthcare still operates on budgets and funds are not unlimited. People gush about the Canadian system. I watched Bernie's town hall meeting about free health care months ago. Bernie brought in a Canadian doctor to give expert info on their government run health care system. The doctor confirmed that every resident has access to care, then detailed the system's rampant delays and explained the rationing processes and quotas for critical medicines and procedures. She talked about the thousands of Canadians that come to the US every year to avoid the delays and rationing. Bernie started screaming and cursing at her, told her she had no idea what she was talking about, and threw her out of the meeting. Of course, his supporters applauded him and booed the doctor. But again, access to care is not the same as getting care.
 

Scott Downey

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I can say as someone who has family in Canada.....their health care system sucks. My grandson has NEVER seen a pediatrician because it's considered a "specialty". He never saw a doctor at all! All he has ever seen is a Nurse Practitioner, even when he had asthma. Their closest hospital is almost an hour away, in the best of conditions. Living in Canada, those "best conditions" are about 3 months a year. The nearest clinic is about 30 minutes away. No nearby ambulance, either...it takes about 30 minutes for one to arrive. After my DIL's mom broke her shoulder, she had to wait 2 days for surgery, then was told "no" to physical therapy because she could "do exercises at home". She now has a frozen shoulder as a result and had to stop working. Her father needed a knee replacement - he was told he was "too old" and that "all the knee replacements for people his age had been done that year". He waited 3 years, dying before he got his knee replaced. My DIL waited almost 6 months for an MRI for severe headaches that kept her from working. A friend in Sweden had the same problem. These are just SOME of the things that happen when you have a one-payer, government-run health care system. She has told me many more stories. I do NOT want a "Medicare for all" or whatever Biden is calling it. Is the current system perfect? No, but it's a HELL of a lot better than what other countries have with their "no payment, government-run" systems.
 

church mouse guy

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The purpose of single payer is to ration care and to deny it to one’s political opponents, obviously. Biden knows what he is doing. Elderly whites such as Biden run the Democrat Party
 

kathleenmariekg

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Healthcare is being rationed in the USA already. People are dying already. It is just different people who will have more and less, and different people who will live and die. The fight is over who dies, not if people die.

Under social medicine, children, as a WHOLE, for the most part have better care in GENERAL. For every 1 child that doesn't get access to an expensive or rare procedure, 1000 get easy and cheap stuff that allows them to miss less school.

There is a TON more to consider than just children, who for the most part are healthy and only need cheap and quick stuff! I agree 1000 times over!

But I am going to state these 3 things:
  • Healthcare is already being rationed.
  • People are already dying.
  • More kids get more care under social medicine.
No matter what we have for healthcare, it is going to be a mess, because humans are a mess without God. The problem is our relationships with God, not our system of healthcare distribution.
 

church mouse guy

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Healthcare is being rationed in the USA already. People are dying already. It is just different people who will have more and less, and different people who will live and die. The fight is over who dies, not if people die.

Under social medicine, children, as a WHOLE, for the most part have better care in GENERAL. For every 1 child that doesn't get access to an expensive or rare procedure, 1000 get easy and cheap stuff that allows them to miss less school.

There is a TON more to consider than just children, who for the most part are healthy and only need cheap and quick stuff! I agree 1000 times over!

But I am going to state these 3 things:
  • Healthcare is already being rationed.
  • People are already dying.
  • More kids get more care under social medicine.
No matter what we have for healthcare, it is going to be a mess, because humans are a mess without God. The problem is our relationships with God, not our system of healthcare distribution.

You have these assertions but you have presented no evidence. On the contrary, there has been evidence presented that Canada and Sweden with socialized medicine have harmful long waiting lists. And we know that in the UK specialized medicine is neither available nor permissible for infants.

In socialist and communist countries, those in power receive reasonable care but the masses are left with the worst care in the world. Cuba, for example, was once nearly as rich as the USA, but now under 60 years of communism it’s almost impossible to find an aspirin and the Chinese virus decimated the general population, who suffer with no medicine whatsoever—in fact no electricity and no running water. Raul is a racist and he has no intention of making provision for Afro-Cubans who make up 70% of the Cuban population.
 

kathleenmariekg

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You have these assertions but you have presented no evidence. On the contrary, there has been evidence presented that Canada and Sweden with socialized medicine have harmful long waiting lists. And we know that in the UK specialized medicine is neither available nor permissible for infants.

In socialist and communist countries, those in power receive reasonable care but the masses are left with the worst care in the world. Cuba, for example, was once nearly as rich as the USA, but now under 60 years of communism it’s almost impossible to find an aspirin and the Chinese virus decimated the general population, who suffer with no medicine whatsoever—in fact no electricity and no running water. Raul is a racist and he has no intention of making provision for Afro-Cubans who make up 70% of the Cuban population.

How can I possible provide evidence of anything when most people here have no trust in the media?

Are the reports of how long our veterans wait for care true?
Without clear standards, veterans are in the dark on community care wait times | Federal News Network

5 Years After Nationwide Scandal, VA Still Struggles to Track Wait Times

Do infant mortality and literacy rates we are told mean anything? Maybe they are faked. Reports of scientific advances? Maybe it is all lies.

U.S. infant mortality high even for full-term babies

https://columbusfreepress.com/article/how-cuba-became-more-literate-united-states

WHO | Cuba’s primary health care revolution: 30 years on

3 of Cuba's Major Medical Achievements

U.S. policy on Cuba obstructs crucial medical breakthroughs

The effectiveness of economic systems and science advancement cannot be accurately measured on countries that are forced into isolation and that are not able to trade freely, but despite that obstacle, they have done something.

Countries that are mountainous or without the same growing conditions cannot be compared to countries with vast bread baskets and fuel reserves to run the machines to harvest vast amounts of grain. Reports of famines in other countries that do not mention the reality of their geography and climate are not fair.

Is the WHO report on extreme poverty in the USA all lies?
Extreme poverty in America: read the UN special monitor's report

I'm slapping stuff up, because what does it matter the source any more? Just because my college taught me a list of "real" news doesn't make it the truth. And I cannot afford to cross the paywalls to access them. Poor people have no access to prove anything.

My eyes and nose show me that people are dying in the USA. I never saw anything like this under social medicine. I never suffered the same medical neglect under social medicine that I did in the USA. But that is anecdotal, and I could be lying.
 

church mouse guy

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How can I possible provide evidence of anything when most people here have no trust in the media?

Are the reports of how long our veterans wait for care true?
Without clear standards, veterans are in the dark on community care wait times | Federal News Network

5 Years After Nationwide Scandal, VA Still Struggles to Track Wait Times

Do infant mortality and literacy rates we are told mean anything? Maybe they are faked. Reports of scientific advances? Maybe it is all lies.

U.S. infant mortality high even for full-term babies

How Cuba became more literate than the United States

WHO | Cuba’s primary health care revolution: 30 years on

3 of Cuba's Major Medical Achievements

U.S. policy on Cuba obstructs crucial medical breakthroughs

The effectiveness of economic systems and science advancement cannot be accurately measured on countries that are forced into isolation and that are not able to trade freely, but despite that obstacle, they have done something.

Countries that are mountainous or without the same growing conditions cannot be compared to countries with vast bread baskets and fuel reserves to run the machines to harvest vast amounts of grain. Reports of famines in other countries that do not mention the reality of their geography and climate are not fair.

Is the WHO report on extreme poverty in the USA all lies?
Extreme poverty in America: read the UN special monitor's report

I'm slapping stuff up, because what does it matter the source any more? Just because my college taught me a list of "real" news doesn't make it the truth. And I cannot afford to cross the paywalls to access them. Poor people have no access to prove anything.

My eyes and nose show me that people are dying in the USA. I never saw anything like this under social medicine. I never suffered the same medical neglect under social medicine that I did in the USA. But that is anecdotal, and I could be lying.

Cuba was rich before Castro. Communists and socialists always take over rich countries , not poor ones where there is nothing to steal.

Now Cuba is the second poorest country in the world but then South America is poorer than Africa.

The US will sell Cuba anything but they have to pay in cash. That is what your articles are calling an embargo. The Castro brothers have been charging stuff all over the world and have never paid a penny on their bills since 1959. Ask Spain and the UK and other Europeans.

The stuff about Cuban education and medicine is all lies. Cubans make about $25 a month. They are starving and Afro-Cubans are being beaten in public daily in a new crackdown of repression by whites led by Raul.

As for the Vets stuff, we have a VA Hospital in Indy. Vets who cannot be seen there fast enough can go to the private sector and get an appointment in a day or two. But then Indianapolis is home to Lilly Pharmaceuticals, who pioneered in the manufacture of insulin almost 100 years ago and Indiana University has a huge medical school.
 

Revmitchell

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How can I possible provide evidence of anything when most people here have no trust in the media?

Are the reports of how long our veterans wait for care true?
Without clear standards, veterans are in the dark on community care wait times | Federal News Network

5 Years After Nationwide Scandal, VA Still Struggles to Track Wait Times

Do infant mortality and literacy rates we are told mean anything? Maybe they are faked. Reports of scientific advances? Maybe it is all lies.

U.S. infant mortality high even for full-term babies

How Cuba became more literate than the United States

WHO | Cuba’s primary health care revolution: 30 years on

3 of Cuba's Major Medical Achievements

U.S. policy on Cuba obstructs crucial medical breakthroughs

The effectiveness of economic systems and science advancement cannot be accurately measured on countries that are forced into isolation and that are not able to trade freely, but despite that obstacle, they have done something.

Countries that are mountainous or without the same growing conditions cannot be compared to countries with vast bread baskets and fuel reserves to run the machines to harvest vast amounts of grain. Reports of famines in other countries that do not mention the reality of their geography and climate are not fair.

Is the WHO report on extreme poverty in the USA all lies?
Extreme poverty in America: read the UN special monitor's report

I'm slapping stuff up, because what does it matter the source any more? Just because my college taught me a list of "real" news doesn't make it the truth. And I cannot afford to cross the paywalls to access them. Poor people have no access to prove anything.

My eyes and nose show me that people are dying in the USA. I never saw anything like this under social medicine. I never suffered the same medical neglect under social medicine that I did in the USA. But that is anecdotal, and I could be lying.

Yep do not trust the media. But I can tell you as a disabled vet who receives regular car through the va that the horror stories were all under obama and every other Democrat. Trump changed things dramatically. Dems want nothing but to strip the military to its bones which ends up including tge va. I have no excessive wait times currently and thoroughly enjoy my care at the va.

I suspect under Biden it will return to horrific care as usual under Democrats.
 

kathleenmariekg

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I think maybe the fact that we know we cannot even find out what the true state of medical care is a bigger concern than the type of medical care.

My biggest concern right now is that I have such restricted access to information, and the restriction is across party lines. I am limited by both the worst of both socialism and capitalism, and being protected by the best of neither.

I am hoping that people are going to band together and start using older technologies like shortwave to begin to share information.
 

church mouse guy

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I have the best medical care in the world and it is very affordable. My rich friends all go to the best doctors. They tell me who the best doctors are. But then Indiana University has a very large medical school and we have a lot of good doctors here.
 

church mouse guy

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I think maybe the fact that we know we cannot even find out what the true state of medical care is a bigger concern than the type of medical care.

My biggest concern right now is that I have such restricted access to information, and the restriction is across party lines. I am limited by both the worst of both socialism and capitalism, and being protected by the best of neither.

I am hoping that people are going to band together and start using older technologies like shortwave to begin to share information.

How much does shortwave cost? I think people who have luxury RVs are using shortwave.
 

Scott Downey

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How can I possible provide evidence of anything when most people here have no trust in the media?

Are the reports of how long our veterans wait for care true?
Without clear standards, veterans are in the dark on community care wait times | Federal News Network

5 Years After Nationwide Scandal, VA Still Struggles to Track Wait Times

Do infant mortality and literacy rates we are told mean anything? Maybe they are faked. Reports of scientific advances? Maybe it is all lies.

U.S. infant mortality high even for full-term babies

How Cuba became more literate than the United States

WHO | Cuba’s primary health care revolution: 30 years on

3 of Cuba's Major Medical Achievements

U.S. policy on Cuba obstructs crucial medical breakthroughs

The effectiveness of economic systems and science advancement cannot be accurately measured on countries that are forced into isolation and that are not able to trade freely, but despite that obstacle, they have done something.

Countries that are mountainous or without the same growing conditions cannot be compared to countries with vast bread baskets and fuel reserves to run the machines to harvest vast amounts of grain. Reports of famines in other countries that do not mention the reality of their geography and climate are not fair.

Is the WHO report on extreme poverty in the USA all lies?
Extreme poverty in America: read the UN special monitor's report

I'm slapping stuff up, because what does it matter the source any more? Just because my college taught me a list of "real" news doesn't make it the truth. And I cannot afford to cross the paywalls to access them. Poor people have no access to prove anything.

My eyes and nose show me that people are dying in the USA. I never saw anything like this under social medicine. I never suffered the same medical neglect under social medicine that I did in the USA. But that is anecdotal, and I could be lying.

The VA is socialized medicine. And not doing very well maybe, I have no direct experience with the VA.

The Veterans Administration is a Socialized Healthcare System
 

kathleenmariekg

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How much does shortwave cost? I think people who have luxury RVs are using shortwave.

This is the radio I bought. I chose this one because it could use regular batteries and without a backlight would drain those batteries less.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00125U8K4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o08_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I bought this powercord
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003KW7A26/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

There is a recent thread here about shortwave radios. I would very pleased if anyone else wants to continue to discuss this topic. I think there is a chance that this could become important technology again.

Shortwave Radio
 

kathleenmariekg

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I have the best medical care in the world and it is very affordable. My rich friends all go to the best doctors. They tell me who the best doctors are. But then Indiana University has a very large medical school and we have a lot of good doctors here.

I have many horrible horrible stories about lack of access to healthcare. The worst was a child I was related to that was denied health insurance because of preexisting conditions, and then all the children were denied access to most healthcare because of that lack of insurance. It was not enough to anyone that the father promised to pay the medical bills and had good credit and had never not paid those children's medical bills. The father couldn't afford to buy health insurance for the healthy children, because he needed the money to pay for what health care he could get for the sickest child, which was often just emergency room care, because they had to take him.

I have seen another child miss weeks of school because his throat and face were so swollen from an infected tooth, that he was having trouble breathing and eating. This was a child with a father in jail, and that had learning disabilities. He needed to be in school, since literacy is supposedly the single greatest factor in keeping people out of jail.

I am not going to even start on what happened to adults.

Care is rationed already.
 

church mouse guy

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I have many horrible horrible stories about lack of access to healthcare. The worst was a child I was related to that was denied health insurance because of preexisting conditions, and then all the children were denied access to most healthcare because of that lack of insurance. It was not enough to anyone that the father promised to pay the medical bills and had good credit and had never not paid those children's medical bills. The father couldn't afford to buy health insurance for the healthy children, because he needed the money to pay for what health care he could get for the sickest child, which was often just emergency room care, because they had to take him.

I have seen another child miss weeks of school because his throat and face were so swollen from an infected tooth, that he was having trouble breathing and eating. This was a child with a father in jail, and that had learning disabilities. He needed to be in school, since literacy is supposedly the single greatest factor in keeping people out of jail.

I am not going to even start on what happened to adults.

Care is rationed already.

The government has since compelled coverage for everyone on spite of pre-existing conditions.

I myself have best in the world healthcare and I think that that is true for Indianapolis in general because of the presence of Lilly Pharmaceutical and Indiana University Medical School. I once was a patient at Billings Hospital of the University of Chicago Hospitals and my doctor assured me that I could receive equal treatment in Indianapolis.

I am not a diabetic but clearly Indianapolis is a world leader in the treatment of diabetes for the last century.
 

kathleenmariekg

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The government has since compelled coverage for everyone on spite of pre-existing conditions.

I myself have best in the world healthcare and I think that that is true for Indianapolis in general because of the presence of Lilly Pharmaceutical and Indiana University Medical School. I once was a patient at Billings Hospital of the University of Chicago Hospitals and my doctor assured me that I could receive equal treatment in Indianapolis.

I am not a diabetic but clearly Indianapolis is a world leader in the treatment of diabetes for the last century.

The United States compelled coverage for pre-existing conditions under Obama-care?

Not everyone in the USA has the same access to healthcare that you do. From a secular viewpoint, I understand fighting to keep what you have. But it is also natural for other humans, especially non-Christians, to fight to get what you have for their children. I don't know what responsibility that adult Christians have to share with what they have with those non-Christian children. Maybe no responsibility at all.
 

church mouse guy

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Medicaid is nationwide. The pandemic lockdown destroyed the economy. Socialized medicine worldwide makes individual medical treatment dependent upon politics. Government is an enemy of good medicine as the pandemic showed. Sleepy Joe wants me dead so I will have bad medicine if he gets his way.
 
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