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"Pelaganists" who believe in depravity

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Calminian

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1689Dave said:
Your "having peace" doesn't cut it with me. You are not exhibiting Christian behavior anywhere near what I'm accustomed to.
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You're stubborn. It's common saying. I have total peace. You should learn about the fallacy I'm trying to explain to you.
 
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1689Dave said:
I can't trust anything you say......sorry.
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From Answers in Genesis:

Similar to the question-begging epithet is the fallacy called complex question. This is the interrogative form of begging the question—when the arguer attempts to persuade by asking a loaded question. A classic example is this: “Have you stopped beating your wife?” Either a yes or no answer would seem to imply that the person did in the past beat his wife, which may not be the case. The question is “complex” because it should be divided into two questions:
  1. Did you ever beat your wife?
  2. If so, have you now stopped doing this?
 
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RighteousnessTemperance& said:
From Answers in Genesis:

Similar to the question-begging epithet is the fallacy called complex question. This is the interrogative form of begging the question—when the arguer attempts to persuade by asking a loaded question. A classic example is this: “Have you stopped beating your wife?” Either a yes or no answer would seem to imply that the person did in the past beat his wife, which may not be the case. The question is “complex” because it should be divided into two questions:
  1. Did you ever beat your wife?
  2. If so, have you now stopped doing this?
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Thank you! He won't listen to me, but maybe he'll listen to another.
 
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RighteousnessTemperance& said:
From Answers in Genesis:

Similar to the question-begging epithet is the fallacy called complex question. This is the interrogative form of begging the question—when the arguer attempts to persuade by asking a loaded question. A classic example is this: “Have you stopped beating your wife?” Either a yes or no answer would seem to imply that the person did in the past beat his wife, which may not be the case. The question is “complex” because it should be divided into two questions:
  1. Did you ever beat your wife?
  2. If so, have you now stopped doing this?
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What dog do you have in this fight?

“He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.” Proverbs 26:17 (NCPB)
 
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1689Dave said:
What dog do you have in this fight?

“He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.” Proverbs 26:17 (NCPB)
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LOL! I knew it. He even admits he's trying to pick a fight.
 
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37818 said:
Your statment make no sense. Life is not death. But animlals and, yes, plant life are subject to death from there beginnings.
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Plants don't die, they merely wither. They do not have nephesh as breathing animals do.
 
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Calminian said:
Plants don't die, they merely wither. They do not have nephesh as breathing animals do.
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Plants do breath. While plants are not animals. Nephesh are souls, which plants are not known to have. Plants and animals are alive and can die.
 
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37818 said:
Plants do breath. While plants are not animals. Nephesh are souls, which plants are not known to have. Plants and animals are alive and can die.
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You're simply wrong about this. Plants are never described as having nephesh. Animals are from the very beginning (Genesis chapter 1). And plants do not breath, in the sense of taking breaths, which is how the bible describes life.
 
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Yeshua1 said:
Think that we mean animal life as death!
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If men are not animals, why? (Just arguing to argue, but wondering what you will say)

Death entering the world could also mean the "world of man" (probably does since God subjects Creation to futility....which would account for death in the rest of creation).
 
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