Pelvic Thrust Dancing = Worship???

Yep...that was me who said the dancing reminded me of the whorish trash of my high school dance team. And which line did I cross exactly? Hmmm? Everyone's lines are drawn in different places and for you to say that my comment was "not a Christian thing to say"...well that's your opinion. The OP asked for an opinion and I gave mine. Sorry if "you" were offended but I do not apologize for staying with the old paths. I still stand with my original statement. That is "my" right in this forum! :BangHead:

 

As a person who has seen the Rocky Horror Picture Show and grew up dancing the Timewarp, I can tell you that nowhere in the Saddleback video did I see the Pelvic Thrust Dance. It wasn't in there. You are reaching, IMO, to find fault. I wouldn't have a problem with the dancing. I would probably have a bigger problem with the strategic marketing philosophy that went into the reasoning for doing it in the first place.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I am proud to take time and agree with my Brother Joseph. I saw young people praising the Lord as they saw to praise him. I also didn't see the "pelvic thrust". I love the words to the song, "My God is an awesome God!" Can't argue with that either. It may have been hard to notice with all the praise in the air.

 

The video reminded me of talent shows our youth used to perform in in Bible Camp 10 yrs ago. Boys vs Girls... wow, would they take it serious.

You can tell that the teens in the video had really practiced.

 

Good for you. BTW, do you know what a whore is? You don't like it, fine that is your right, but comparing teenage girls to whores is a might bit over the top, even for a fundie.

 

While the video and style are not my cuppa tea, I hardly think there was anything like a sexual aspect to the dance.

Sounds like touting at windmills again, IMHO.

 

I see it's time for a vocabulary lesson. A whore as defined in my dictionary (yes...the actual book on my shelf) is "a woman who engages in promiscuous sexual intercourse, usually for money." Notice the word "usually"...this does not mean every time. It simply means someone who sleeps around basically. And once again, I said the dancing was like the junk that my high school classmates did. Perhaps I should elaborate more. Fifty percent of that squad that would get out in there skimpy outfits and shake their behinds all in the name of school spirit got pregnant out of wedlock...some while they were high school. Some of those pregnancies ended in abortion and the others caused the girls to turn their backs on God because of course it wasn't their fault.

You might think what I say is over the top but I call it like I see it.

 

The culture in each school is what determines this, not the routine that cheerleaders do. My adult daughter (who was an athlete) took her little sister aside and made her swear that she would never be a cheerleader, primarily because of the group who were cheerleaders when she was in high school. It's hard, if you're a cheerleader, at the top of the social ladder, to avoid giving in to all the temptations so readily available.

Other schools are not like that, and other years in the local high school were not like that. It's not the routines that do it.

 

I know you just got in on this Galatian but the girls I am referring to were not cheerleaders. These were specifically the dance team. That's all they did was dance...no cheers were involved. Their sole purpose was to twist and gyrate in front of teenage boys and it is present in all the schools around here. Not sure about the rest of the country.

Most of the girls that wound up in trouble used to be good girls. They were taught to dance like this and to wear revealing clothing.

 

Exactly right.

 

Amen to that. It is what is in the heart that makes "good girls" as one of the posts says, not being forced to act like Polly Purebread for 18 years. Having raised kids, all a parent can do is direct, pray, and rejoice if they come to Christ. Making a bunch of silly rules does not get the job done. It is hard to accept the fact that the dance routine as someone said causes premarital sex, abortion, etc. If they do not have a pure heart, and you kept them off the dance team, they would have found a way to have the same end result, then you would have to blame it on something else. :BangHead:

FBC wife, you miss the whole point, and very few kids were raised more conservative than mine.

 

Good post... Curious, what do we think of one's mind who only see's sin or sexual connotations in the heart felt praise of another? I mean, if we were each transformed by a renewed mind, how is it we can look at the same video and find different intent or moral value's? If my mind is fixed on Jesus, how is it I see the world in praise instead of finding praise in the world?

I guess what I am trying to get at, if you look at the robber how can we only see the potential he has to rob us and do us harm instead of the his potential to love and walk the strait and narrow if we put our arms around him and help him see the way?

The reason I ask, I have a member that always see's the opposite from me and I am tring to understand why is this?

 

Watched the video...

1. Great example why people should not try to redo songs. That was a terrible version of Awesome God, terrible. Someone should be jailed for that :tongue3: .

2. As for the dancing, well it is certainly worldy and fleshly there is no doubt about that. It is a weak attempt to be hip (ie...compromise). However I would point out that Rick Warren's church is what it is and people who go there know what they are going to get. I doubt many people who are serious about Biblical truths and true Godly living would attend Warren's church anyway.

3. Terrible music, terrible dancing, just terrible. Perfect example why I don't like alot of modern Christian music.

 

==I think the Bible places more importance in outward behavior and appearance than you are (1Pet 3:3-4, 1Tim 2:9-10, etc). Keep in mind that what is on the outside comes from what is on the inside (Mk 7:20-23).

Now, I am not a stuffy person. I like good music (of all sorts). However I point out that what you win a person with is what you win a person to. These people believe it is ok to use worldly methods to attract people/teens to the church and to Christ. The result of this is a church full of lost, worldly people, who think they are saved. The church needs to stop trying to be like the world.

==Sorry but I can't believe a Godly, Christ centered, Bible based teenager would be on stage doing that kind of dance. I am very certain, based on experience, that if you look at the lifestyles of many of those young people on stage you would find a pattern of ungodly behavior. This is not an assumption, this is based on my experience with these type of people.

 

Now this I agree on completely! :thumbsup:

 

Interesting, when the Bible says dress modestly, is it pointing out a style of clothe one must wear or is it speaking of the heart or inner perception of what we wear?

If I could afford my wife a 4 carot ring, does modesty mean she can't wear the ring God blessed me to be able to afford or does it mean not to stick your nose in the air and look down on others who could not afford such a ring? That you wear it remembering who the giver is and with the humility of heart that says, "The Lord giveth and the Lord can taketh away"? I don't believe your examples are specifically addressing the outward appearance as much as it is the inward attitude of the outward appearance.

 

Because you're always wrong!:laugh: :laugh:
Couldn't resist!:saint:

 

Great comments Martin. I would go into specifics of how I agree with some of your statements but we are inbetween visits and I hate typing on my husbands Blackberry.

 

Oh c'mon FBC you're reaching. You did not call these girls whores outright, that is true, just their dancing. For one there was NOTHING remotely sexual about the dancing they were doing. I could see your point if there was, but again there was nothing. It is comical and ridiculous. I don't care whether you like it or not, that is up to you, but your anologies are over the top. You call it like you see it , so do I. In fact you are reminding me of how I grew up. Let's see I went to Carroll Christian Schools in Westminster, MD, (Shelton Smith's church school), until about the 10th grade where I moved to Florida. I was a cheerleader at CCS. ALL the time we heard the comments the ADULT women and teachers would make about the cheerleaders in other schools, (Christian schools). They were called whorish because their skirts were shorter than ours, or my favorite the jumping they did showed off their chests so they had to be promiscuous. You know what ended up happening. We started calling these girls whores, and pretty much any girl was a slut if we were mad at them. You sound just like the good IFB women who taught us to disrespect each other, and other girls over something as ridiculous as a skirt two inches above the knee.

FTR, there was NOTHING whorish about the dancing. Oh, and I do know the definition of a whore. I just don't use it out of context.

 

:thumbsup: Thank you! You said it much better than I did.