Penal Substitution Reprised

[Mr. Davis]

I believe your error is the contextual framework through which you view the Cross. This is the undercurrent that flows throughout your theology, pulling it from its intended course.

I agree that forsake means forsake. God forsook Christ to suffer the Cross - it was His will that Christ suffer and die - rather than delivering from he was delievered through. Does this mean God abandoned Christ? No.

I appreciate your knowledge. But I am confused.

"Father, father, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Doesn't this indicate abandonment?

 

[Van]

1. Paul suggests exactly that (Adam broke a direct command just as those under the Law....i.e., those not under the Law sinned but their sin was not like Adam's transgression (you just fell through the ice).
2. The wages of sin is death. (You are struggling towards the break).
3. With flaming fire he will mete out punishment on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will undergo the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his strength, when he comes to be glorified among his saints and admired on that day among all who have believed — and you did in fact believe our testimony.

The lost will not pay the debt but collect the wages of sin, pay the penalty. The Calvinistic understanding of this sin debt is flawed. (Oops....You Just went under).

The "likeness" refers to knowingly going against the expressed will of God, not the Law.
The unsaved are storing up wrath for each sin, and they will be punished according to that debt. God's justice demands it.
Yet another word play effort, when a person is punished for a sin, they are paying for that sin. The word (G5099) means to pay penalty. Thus the debt owed to God is the recompense due for our sins.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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