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Ill second that, My respect for CoBeAc is even greater now. The real question is, would JK even want to recruit there?

 

I have heard some wonderful things about Dr. Jaspers. I got to meet him a couple years ago and talked with him at length. However, just because they support all of the local churches does not make them a local church ministry. I like Maranatha and recommend it to young people.

Dr. Bob,
You are right that PCC does not give enough practical training. This is one of their major weaknesses in the ministerial program. I would however differ with you that the doctrinal training is weak.

As far as allowing Camps to recruit. It is an individual colleges right to allow or prevent certain organizations from recruiting. Just as I as a Pastor only allow certain colleges to present their ministries in my church.

Jogopsh,
I would be interested to know how you believe PCC has compromised in the area of music. Do they hold to the same standard as BJU, no! How have the compromised as far as hate is concerned. Does that make what they hold to wrong. It is easy to criticize, but let's back it up with Scripture. Do you know why your pastor is not allowed on Campus?

 

Read 'em & weep. They do have a BJU grad for President!

Duh?

 

You left out one thing from your description—the word autonomous. A local church of the NT pattern is autonomous—i.e self-governing. PCC Campus church is certainly not autonomous by any stretch of the imagination. It is a wholly owned subsidiary of PCC. Dr. Horton, who is not a preacher, is the head—period! The Pastor is hired (and perhaps told what to do) and fired by Dr. Arlin or (horrors!) by Dr. Beka. In other words, Dr. Jim is an employee. Except for calling itself a church and holding a few more services, I can see little difference between the PCC Campus Church and what goes on at BJU on Sunday mornings—town folks do attend the BJU Sunday services, you know. So, the difference, IMHO, is a matter of amount (i.e. number of services), not essence or kind. It’s all the same stuff with a different name. It seems when folks get big enough, they think that they can do it their way and God will go along. Perhaps this is a special dispensation of grace for them.

Owning your own church is not a bad idea in the entrepreneurial sense. Some charismatic guys from the Tidewater area of VA franchise their churches down into NC even hiring the pastor, etc. A pretty nice cash cow, huh?

So, what do you think?

 

RE: PCC Campus Church

Does the Campus Church give a proper model of a NT Baptist church for the PCC "preacher boys" to follow in their ministries? How so? Does it have deacons? etc., etc.?

 

I think BJU would be well served to drop their Sunday morning worship service in favor of local church attendance. I understand the issues of transportation and flooding the local churches during the school year, but I think if they could resolve those problems, it would help their students.

Andy

 

I won't even grace this with an answer, I may have to speak to the moderator since I believe in order to post in the Baptist Fellowship forums you have to have a sense of humor.

 

I was not intending to label MBBC as a local church ministry, merely pointing out that the whole philosophy of the school is geared toward local church ministry.

 

I am probably also making a judgement not only my experience at MBBC, and what I have heard since leaving there, but also on my memories of Dr. C, and the thoughts of my parents who attended during the Cedarholm years.

 

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I think BJU would be well served to drop their Sunday morning worship service in favor of local church attendance. I understand the issues of transportation and flooding the local churches during the school year, but I think if they could resolve those problems, it would help their students.

Andy </font>[/QUOTE]Agreed! Furthermore, required local church attendance for Sunday and Wednesday evenings would be a good idea. After all, some of these guys staying in the dorm on Sunday and Wednesday nights will someday pastor churches and expect their members to be faithful in attendance after a hard day's work in a factory. It's rather like practice it before you preach it! What do you think?

 

I cannot speak to the current teachings. However, when I was a student, yes they did teach about the proper NT Baptist church model.

They taught that Deacons and the Pastor were the two offices in a church and that a church should have deacons if they are needed and men are qualified.

 

As far as BJU is concerned. I had a member of the Faculty in my home a couple years ago. We discussed this and he informed me that not only are many of the students not Baptist, but many of the faculty are not either.

 

The vast majority of students and faculty are Baptist, even though there are some presbyterians and a significant number from Bible-type churches. Not sure how the Baptist schedule differs from the non-Baptist schedule.

Andy

 

This is from the website of Faith Free Presbyterian Church in Greenville:

Looks somewhat familiar to this Baptist, anyway.

 

There is a local church listing on the BJU website ( HERE ) that includes weekly service times. Except for those who go on extension ministries outside the Greenville area, just about everybody at BJU would probably go to one of these churches. I know of at least one church that has gone to multiple services on Sunday night to handle the student crowd when school is in session.

Andy

 

Since you didn't get the joke, Ill explain the punch line.

PCC has a BJU grad as president, and yet, they haven't abandoned the "true" Word of God. Isn't it Ironic, Don't you think. Given the premise of their argument about grads from all these other compromising institutions and their lack of committment to the ol' AV

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