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[tamborine lady]

DHK said:If others studied the subject equally as well, there would be no one "speaking in tongues" as it were today. The gift ceased long ago. What you perceive as speaking in tongues (gibberish) is fraudulent, and does not even come close to what the true Biblical gift of speaking in the foreign languages as the early disciples did. There are no two sides to this story. There is correct doctrine, and there is wrong doctrine. Choose the truth, that which is based on doctrine, not on emotions.

i want to thank you very much far clearing that up for me!! Now I get it!! If I agree with YOU, then I have it right. Right?

By the way, I also posted the following, but it was not addressed by anyone.

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Aaaaaaaaaaah yes, and speaking of emotions, it's not so wrong to have emotions! I have seen some pretty excited Baptists when they are singing and praiseing the Lord!! They shout praise the Lord, Amen, thank you Jesus, etc. They clap their hands when they are singing. And you KNOW they are not speaking in tongues!!

So I don't think emotions has anything to do with it.

Never the less, Bless him Lord, however you see fit.

Peace,

Tam

 

[tamborine lady]

Ed Jones posted an excellant scripture:1Cr 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

Tam says: The people were not told to not speak in tongues at all, they were told to keep quiet and speak to himself and to God

Peace,

Tam

 

[MEE]

Did Jesus pray to Himself? No, not when we understand that Jesus was both God and man. In His deity Jesus did not pray, for God does not need to pray to anyone. As a man, Jesus prayed to God, not to his humanity. He did not pray to Himself as humanity, but to the one true God, to the same God who dwelled in His humanity and who also inhabits the universe.

Does Jesus pray now since his exaltation? No, He prayed in the days of His flesh. (Hebrews 5:7) The work of the mediation was finished through His death on the cross at Calvary (Hebrews 9:14-15). There is no more sacrifice for sins, for once and for all time His blood was shed for the remission of sins (Hebrews 10:12).

Unlike the Old Testament priests, he does not continually offer sacrifices for sins. There is no more offering, but there remains remission of sins for those who repent and are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (Hebrews 10:18, Acts 2:38).

His present role as intercessor consists not only of daily prayers but the application of the benefit of the cross to our lives (Romans 8:34; 1 John 1:7-9; 2:1-2).

Jesus said, "At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: for the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and believed that I came out from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again I leave the world and go to the Father" (John 16:26-28).

Jesus does not pray now, but as God He hears and answers prayers prayed in His name.


Marcia, you may keep saying that the Oneness saints don't believe in a trinity, but I have yet to see, on this forum, anyone who can explain to me how God can be 'three' persons and yet be one God. It doesn't make sense!

It's easy to see how 'three' manifestations of one God can still be one God. I'll never be able to see three gods that you say it takes to make up the Godhead.

BTW, even though traggic_pizza does not believe the way I do, he is trying to tell you all to have a little more compassion for people that he believes to be in error. Thanks TP, you have a big heart...even though I'm not in error.

MEE

 

[csmith]

Surely this thread isn't going to turn into an issue of whether or not we have a triune God

Can we do that on a different thread?

 

[Ed Jones]

Mee,

Perhaps this has been discussed in other places but how can Jesus AS God sit on the right hand OF God if God is one person? (Rom 8:34, etc.)

Also, how can Jesus as The Word be WITH God and BE God Himself if God is one person? (John 1:1)

Ed

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tamborine lady:

By the way, I also posted the following, but it was not addressed by anyone.

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Aaaaaaaaaaah yes, and speaking of emotions, it's not so wrong to have emotions! I have seen some pretty excited Baptists when they are singing and praiseing the Lord!! They shout praise the Lord, Amen, thank you Jesus, etc. They clap their hands when they are singing. And you KNOW they are not speaking in tongues!!

So I don't think emotions has anything to do with it.

Emotions have much to do with it. God gave us emotions for a reason. He gave us anger for example. It is not a sin to be angry, per se.
"Be ye angry and sin not."
It is what you do with that anger that is or could be sinful. The anger needs to be brought under control. There is an answer to that given in Eph.4:31,32. Let God take control of your anger, and the first step starts with forgiveness.

We have emotions. Emotions are controllable. When anger, for example, goes out of control it is sin.
As applied to tongues of today, they are out of control. You don't know what you are saying. It is an emotional high where you are taken over by a force that is not your own (and not of the Holy Spirit). It may come of one of two sources: the flesh or the devil. Either way you don't consciously control that emotion. You don't think about what you are doing. That makes it a sinful action. It is emotions out of control.

That is a far cry when a person says "Amen" to a statement in a sermon that he agrees with or that has blessed his soul. The "Amen" is actually an indication that he has been paying attention, and using his mind to know what is being said.
Over and over again we are told to use our minds, and rely upon our minds, and not on our emotions. This is the mistake of the Charismatic movement. Their theoloby is emotion based compared to Baptist which is Bible-based.
DHK

 

[tragic_pizza]

Funny, all of the Charismatics I have talked to use the same Bible as the Baptists, and will argue just as conclusively that their theology is Bible-based as well.

 

[Phillip]

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Funny, all of the Charismatics I have talked to use the same Bible as the Baptists, and will argue just as conclusively that their theology is Bible-based as well.

It sure is and that is what is so odd. I never could understand why a major denomination would base such a big doctrine on Paul's letter to the Corinthian church correcting their mis-guided use of "tongues" and telling them it is better to "prophecy" than to speak in "tongues". You would think that the charismatics would be prophecying all of the time; but they spend more time doing what Paul told them to pray that they didn't do.

Besides, what good does it do for a person to speak in Russian, in a church when nobody can understand Russian except for him. Just like Paul said, it becomes self-edifying. Unless that person uses a translator each and every single time he/she speaks in Russian.

Don't bring up Acts, because Acts is obviously people hearing it in their own language (tongue).

 

[MEE]

Originally posted by Ed Jones:
Mee,

Perhaps this has been discussed in other places but how can Jesus AS God sit on the right hand OF God if God is one person? (Rom 8:34, etc.)

Also, how can Jesus as The Word be WITH God and BE God Himself if God is one person? (John 1:1)

Ed

Ed, did you read my last post in depth?

God is not a person. He is a Spirit. Jesus was the Son/flesh of God. The only person/flesh in the Godhead is/was Jesus Christ.

2 Col. 2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily . (Speaking of Jesus)

John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The "Word" in this scripture means logos.

3056. logov logos, log'-os
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from 3004; something said (including the thought); by implication, a topic (subject of discourse), also reasoning (the mental faculty) or motive; by extension, a computation; specially, (with the article in John) the Divine Expression (i.e. Christ):--account, cause, communication, X concerning, doctrine, fame, X have to do, intent, matter, mouth, preaching, question, reason, + reckon, remove, say(-ing), shew, X speaker, speech, talk, thing, + none of these things move me, tidings, treatise, utterance, word, work.

As you can see, "Word" means the idea that God had of coming to die for mankind. Now this is how I see God as 'three manifestations' of one God. I don't see a trinity made up of three gods.

You are right csmith, this is turning into another topic. Now, back to JB's 'joke.'

MEE

 

[av1611jim]

WOW!!!!

24 pages of roundy-round?

Where are the moderators when you need them?

Close this thing!

In HIS service;
Jim

 

[MEE]

Originally posted by av1611jim:
WOW!!!!

24 pages of roundy-round?

Where are the moderators when you need them?

Close this thing!

In HIS service;
Jim

I figure it's about that time!

MEE

 

[Pete]

Close it?! Nahhhhh, the joke could probably be posted a few more times hmmmm is getting long though...

 

[Ed Jones]

Originally posted by MEE:
Ed, did you read my last post in depth?

God is not a person. He is a Spirit. Jesus was the Son/flesh of God. The only person/flesh in the Godhead is/was Jesus Christ.

2 Col. 2:9) For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily . (Speaking of Jesus)

John 1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The "Word" in this scripture means logos.

As you can see, "Word" means the idea that God had of coming to die for mankind. Now this is how I see God as 'three manifestations' of one God. I don't see a trinity made up of three gods.


MEE

Actually I did read it and the points weren't clear. Neither are they now. God the Father is a spirit and Jesus is God in the flesh. Yet Oneness says they are the same person. Can a person sit beside himself?

Also, your reply doesn't answer how the Word can be WITH God. How can a person be WITH Himself? What did John mean by this statement?

Ed

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by av1611jim:
WOW!!!!

24 pages of roundy-round?

Where are the moderators when you need them?

Close this thing!

In HIS service;
Jim

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