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Pentecostal vs Charismatic
- Thread starter Salty
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I believe the main Christian experiences are three....
1. Salvation - If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - Romans 10:9
2. Sanctification - This is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication. - 1 Thessalonians 4:3
3. Holy Spirit - Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? - Acts 19:2
Spiritual Gifts - My personal beliefs are that they are all unique to the believer. Some can cook, clean, preach, teach, prophesy, evangelize, heal the sick, speak in tongues, play a musical instrument... Whatever. I do not believe every spiritual gift is the same. This is what makes special speakers exciting... What good thing has God put on their heart?
Charismatic - I have sat in services wondering... This people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men. - Isaiah 29:13
Ideal Spirituality - We have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. - 2 Corinthians 4:7
Psalty
Active Member
I think this is redefining after the fact. The words charasmatic and pentecostal are interchangable.
I will add that historically, most of the pentecostal movement started in meetings outside of the church service. Many of the mainstream denominations kicked their members who experienced the gifts out, forcing the creation of new pentecostal denominations.
I will add that historically, most of the pentecostal movement started in meetings outside of the church service. Many of the mainstream denominations kicked their members who experienced the gifts out, forcing the creation of new pentecostal denominations.
Ascetic X
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Pentecostals and charismatics, their speaking in tongues always sounds fake. They seem to imitate each other with their syllables resembling Aramaic. Or the tongues talking is just gibberish. I have even heard people in a Assembly of God church make hissing sounds like snakes.
I oppose their unbiblical Bethel, Benny Hinn, Paula White, and Toronto Blessing nonsense, holy laughter, sudden whooping sounds that scare you, slaying in the spirit. I do believe in divine healing.
I oppose their unbiblical Bethel, Benny Hinn, Paula White, and Toronto Blessing nonsense, holy laughter, sudden whooping sounds that scare you, slaying in the spirit. I do believe in divine healing.
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Psalty
Active Member
Certainly there are abuses.
I was raised in an Assembly of God. Good people, totally controlled gifts at a set time IF the Spirit moved. Pastor always stood up afterward and evaluated whether to accept. Countless testimonies of a specific word of knowledge that was given, then a totally different person stood up and confirmed how it was spoken to just their situation. Similar experiences with Prophetic words addressing something in a persons life.Immense faith building. Tongues and interpretation.
I am saddened that this is not the standard.
My view is that God moves in these ways when He wants signs to confirm the gospel to the world, and His church. That doesnt mean on demand at all times and in all seasons, unlike Bethel would have you believe.
Grudem's been all over the place, started out in a charismatic Reformed Church in America congregation, then Orthodox Presbyterian, Baptist General Conference, Southern Baptist, The Vineyard, and now attends some sort of "non-denominational" church!
Ed Stetzer on Instagram: "Wayne Grudem and John Wimber. Wayne keeps a handful of pics on his bookshelf in that home library. This one with Wimber dates back a few decades. Wayne was a part of a Vineyard Church in the 1990s and wrote theological
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I view Charismatic as a movement within, but not defining, denominations while Pentecostal is a set of denominations.
Charismatic movement takes aspects of Pebtecostal denominations and puts these aspects in other denominations.
An illustration would be "Reformed" as a movement. This movement takes aspects of Presbyterianism and puts these aspects in other denominations (Reformed Baptist, Anglicans, etc).
Yes, the weakest part of his other excellent ST is in the area of the Holy Spirit and s
Would tend to separate those 2 groups, as the classic Pentecostals such as AOG would still hold to second act of grace as evidence by speaking in others tongues, but o n the whole they would reject physical healing in the atonement, modern day prophets and apostles, word of faith, as that pretty much reserved for Charismatics
Disagree with AOG on take on gifts and how Holy Spirit operates today, but Charisma churches much worse
Well said!
Charismatics would be normally though the ones to get into heretical movement, such as dominion, word of faith, kingdom now etc
atpollard
Well-Known Member
One correction to the article … there are Catholic Charismatics (the article implied it was only a Protestant movement).
Ascetic X
Well-Known Member
- The Trinity (EFS/ERAS): Wayne Grudem argues that the Son is eternally submissive to the Father, a view critics say undermines the Trinity's equality. This was heavily debated, with many theologians labeling it a 21st-century innovation rather than historic orthodoxy.
- Gender Roles & Complementarianism: As a founder of the Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, Grudem advocates for strict male authority in marriage/church, which critics claim can justify abuse. However, he has updated his views to include abuse as a ground for divorce.
- Charismatic Beliefs:
Unlike many Reformed theologians, Grudem is a continuationist, believing spiritual gifts like prophecy continue today. - Theological Method: Critics argue his approach to theology can be overly literalist and that his "Systematic Theology" does not align with traditional Reformed confessions.
- Political Stance: His active support for conservative politics and specific political candidates has also caused debate within evangelicalism.
I would say all charismatics are Pentecostal, but not all Pentecostals are charismatic. I‘d venture to guess many Pentecostals reject what charismatics teach, the name it claim it, blab it grab it, malarkey.
Ascetic X
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One thing I agree with is Name It and Claim It when it means when you have a need, find a promise in scripture, then fix your faith on it.
John 14:13,14
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
But not naming and claiming things like mansions, Cadillacs, and other materialistic items based on greed, not legit need.
Too many Christians limit God by thinking they have to suffer poverty, disease, disability, insanity, and other detrimental things — and do not think God can do anything but give them a list of rules and a ticket to heaven.
This turns Christianity into a system of philosophy and ethics, instead of a mighty supernatural reality. They ignore how Jesus is a Healing and Providing God.
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They twist that, and say God wants you rich, and to get rich, you have to sow your seed in the kingdom. Sadly, they leave it it’s their kingdom, not God’s, they’re sowing into. Look at their mansions, suits, vehicles, private jets, &c. True story: I used to work with a lady who’s big into this. A couple years ago or so, she messaged me on FB wanting to know if they were hiring, as she needed to make extra money. I really wanted to ask her why she needed another job to make money when she had been sowing seed for years, but I didn’t. So if they name it claim it, blab it grab it, they can be rich. It’s a ponzi scheme.
So it would be interesting if these NI&CI preachers were subject to "Truth In Adverting" laws
Who knows? They’re shysters, that I do know.