And yet the Spirit of truth did not convict/convince them of the heretical doctrines of Rome?When I was an atheist, I first encountered the Gospel [not the words, but people that actually believed what they were saying was real rather than "fire insurance"] was at a Catholic Charismatic Fellowship. Just for the record, they both spoke in tongues at their worship and they DID follow the rules of 1 Corinthians 14. Speaking in tongues was 1 at a time and nothing moved forward except prayer until there was an interpretation.
[I cannot speak to the whole "real" vs "angelic" languages question ... it was not English ... I spoke English.]
Just saying, there are some that follow the rules.
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Pentecostal vs Charismatic
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Well think many of tjhem are getting paid extremely well from Satan, yet he offers them terrible after life benefits
I came about in a Pentecostal Holiness church with a wonderful decency, spirituality, warmth, love, faith, and well disciplined ways. The people would farm, work the hayfields, garden, and put to good use what little they had. I would marvel as there would be one closet in the house yet the people would come to church in fine dresses and suits. An evenings revival followed by "Good night John Boy... Good night Mary Ellen" and Sunday services followed by a meal consisting of cubed steak, gravy, green beans, corn on the cob, mashed red potatoes, fresh biscuits, and cucumbers in apple cider vinegar. It was like a line out of Tina Turners Nutbush City Limits...
Twenty-five was the speed limit
Motorcycle not allowed in it
You go to the store on Fridays
You go to church on Sundays
They call it Nutbush, little old town
You go to the field on week days
And have a picnic on Labor Day
You go to town on Saturdays
But go to church every Sunday
They call it Nutbush city limits
No whiskey for sale
You get caught, no bail
Saltpork and molasses
Is all you get in jail
Just a wonderful experience. I count the rest of the human race very poor for not experiencing these things.
Twenty-five was the speed limit
Motorcycle not allowed in it
You go to the store on Fridays
You go to church on Sundays
They call it Nutbush, little old town
You go to the field on week days
And have a picnic on Labor Day
You go to town on Saturdays
But go to church every Sunday
They call it Nutbush city limits
No whiskey for sale
You get caught, no bail
Saltpork and molasses
Is all you get in jail
Just a wonderful experience. I count the rest of the human race very poor for not experiencing these things.
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Ascetic X
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I am glad you had a good experience and delicious food at your church. But I evaluate a church based on scripture. I cannot attend a church with unbiblical practices. If you feel your church’s practices regarding speaking in tongues are biblical, that’s your privilege to think so, but I have a different view.
However, I pray that people are getting saved and growing in Christ at your church.
To explain these things to those who have never experienced it is impossible doings. If the actual good Spirit is not there it is all Charismatic as far as I am concerned. And the people very poor no matter the wealth or the noise.
We have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. – 2 Corinthians 4:7
It is so important that the excellency of the power of God is actually of God…. And not a show we have learned.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? – 1 Corinthians 12
Therefore we have….
Anointed preaching
Anointed prophets
Anointed teaching
Anointed miracles
Anointed healings
Anointed helps
Anointed governments
Anointed tongues
Adding… Anointed in some kind of music ministry
When the anointing is there you can tell it. It will be something even the angels will desire to look into…
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. – 1 Peter 1
But if it is not of God… Then it will be obviously not of God. I have left the old Pentecostal Holiness Church with good feeling. But so much these days leaves me with a terrible and worried feeling. As it is easy to tell this is of man and not of God. Therefore… Especially…
***Tongues is of the Holy Spirit… Not of man…. It is not something that is supposed to be taught. I am very much against people trying to teach people how to speak in tongues.
It is so important that the excellency of the power of God is actually of God…. And not a show we have learned.
28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles?
30 Have all the gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? – 1 Corinthians 12
Therefore we have….
Anointed preaching
Anointed prophets
Anointed teaching
Anointed miracles
Anointed healings
Anointed helps
Anointed governments
Anointed tongues
Adding… Anointed in some kind of music ministry
When the anointing is there you can tell it. It will be something even the angels will desire to look into…
11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. – 1 Peter 1
But if it is not of God… Then it will be obviously not of God. I have left the old Pentecostal Holiness Church with good feeling. But so much these days leaves me with a terrible and worried feeling. As it is easy to tell this is of man and not of God. Therefore… Especially…
***Tongues is of the Holy Spirit… Not of man…. It is not something that is supposed to be taught. I am very much against people trying to teach people how to speak in tongues.
Ascetic X
Well-Known Member
Charismatics tend to use “anointed” to mean what gives them a good feeling, is exciting, or is something they approve of. The Bible uses “anointed” in specific situations.
In the Bible, anointing with oil is performed in religious ceremonies and used for showing hospitality, personal hygiene (Ruth 3:3; Matthew 6:17), refreshment (Luke 7:46), medicinal treatments (Luke 10:34), and burial traditions (Mark 16:1).
Kings, priests, and prophets were anointed outwardly with oil to symbolize a more profound spiritual reality—that God’s presence was with them and His favor was upon them (Psalm 20:6; 28:8).
Through Jesus Christ, believers receive “an anointing from the Holy One” (1 John 2:20). This anointing is not expressed in an outward ceremony, but through sharing in the gift of the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:11). At the moment of salvation, believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and joined to Christ, the Anointed One. As a result, we partake of His anointing (2 Corinthians 1:21–22).
Those in Charismatic religious circles speak of “the anointing” as something Christians can and should be seeking. It is common for them to speak of “anointed” preachers, sermons, ministries, songs, etc., and to advise others to “unlock their anointing” or “walk in the anointing.” The idea is that the anointing is an outpouring of God’s power to accomplish a task through the anointed one. Charismatics claim there are corporate anointings as well as various types of individual anointings.
There is the flesh!
There is the Spirit!
They are obviously two different things. Arrogance can exist outside of Charismatic religious circles as well! A true man or woman of God is the opposite of all of that... In which is meekness...
For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the Lord: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. - Isaiah 66:2
Psalty
Active Member
This passage is to a group of believers, John’s “little children” as a group. Corporate and individual.
To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: - 1 Corinthians 12:10
Discerning of spirits is another "biggie." Ellen G. White, a co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, described a vision where she saw Enoch on a world with seven moons, not a moon, where he had been translated. She saw him wearing a wreath with a bow. A world orbiting a planet (sometimes associated with Jupiter or Saturn in interpretations) with seven moons.
Aren't we lucky to live in such an enlightened age!
Discerning of spirits is another "biggie." Ellen G. White, a co-founder of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, described a vision where she saw Enoch on a world with seven moons, not a moon, where he had been translated. She saw him wearing a wreath with a bow. A world orbiting a planet (sometimes associated with Jupiter or Saturn in interpretations) with seven moons.
Aren't we lucky to live in such an enlightened age!
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Psalty
Active Member
I think it was a joke
NOPE - no joke - lengthy read - but well worth itI think it was a joke
Ascetic X
Well-Known Member
It was no joke.I think it was a joke
The Seventh-day Adventist (SDA) church originated from the "Great Disappointment" of 1844, when William Miller’s prophecy that Jesus Christ would return on October 22, 1844, failed. Following this failed prophecy, followers developed new interpretations, focusing on a "heavenly sanctuary" doctrine rather than a literal, immediate return.
- The 1856 Vision: According to the White Estate, some followers argued that Ellen White's 1856 prediction, suggesting some present at the time would see the Second Coming, was conditional and failed to materialize as described.
- "Shut Door" Period: From 1844 to 1851, she initially believed the door of salvation was closed to those who had rejected the 1844 message, a view she later moved away from.
- The Rebuilding of Jerusalem: Some critics point to a statement in her book Early Writings (p. 75) claiming that "Jerusalem will never be built up again," which has been challenged by the modern expansion of the city.
- Failed Predictions of Time-Setting: After 1844, despite early experiences, some followers and supporters, including early Adventist pioneers, made further attempted calculations that failed.
Wikipedia
Psalty
Active Member
I don’t mean that your comments were a joke, I already totally agree with you on Seventh-day Adventists!
I think he was trying to point out that you have to use discernment on people claiming these gifts… Which is why I think he used that meme.
Could totally be wrong, but I completely agree with you guys on the Seventh-day Adventist stuff!
There have been Camp Meetings where the spirit of prophecy, writings, tongues, dreams, interpretations, and counsel was given in the yearly gatherings. The gift of discernment is particularly important here as people can get carried away in those sort of things. I believe meetings like this produced all kinds of wild mindsets.
The American Camp Meeting scene can include any protestant and non-protestant denomination who wish to gather in an atmosphere where....
1. Prayer
2. Song Service
3. Time in the Word
4. Invitation to the Altar for Prayer
In the hands of good people these meetings can go over well. I saw just last week where a Wesleyan based Asbury Church closed Thursday night mid-week service to support a Baptist church in Camp Meeting. It looked like a decent place but way too out there in the mountains for me.
Camp Meetings can go over well
Camp Meetings can get too wild
Edit: The Baptist Church was called Brookside Baptist in Sugar Grove, VA. I would have loved to have visited, just too far a drive.
1. Prayer
2. Song Service
3. Time in the Word
4. Invitation to the Altar for Prayer
In the hands of good people these meetings can go over well. I saw just last week where a Wesleyan based Asbury Church closed Thursday night mid-week service to support a Baptist church in Camp Meeting. It looked like a decent place but way too out there in the mountains for me.
Camp Meetings can go over well
Camp Meetings can get too wild
Edit: The Baptist Church was called Brookside Baptist in Sugar Grove, VA. I would have loved to have visited, just too far a drive.
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