Performance Guidelines for "Lordship" Salvation

[J.D.]

Why not just do as you did with your magazines...cancel the BB subscription.

What, and give you the satisfaction of celebrating my absence? NO WAY!!

 

[webdog]

What, and give you the satisfaction of celebrating my absence? NO WAY!!

I wouldn't celebrate...you can't debate against people you agree with

 

[Havensdad]

John MacArthur’s Lordship Salvation conditions the free gift of God on a commitment to performance of the “good works” (Eph. 2:10) expected of a born again disciple of Christ.

John Macarthur defines repentance as:

It is a change of heart, but genuine repentance will cause a change of behavior as well

Lou keeps talking about "works" demanded by J. Mac and L.S., yet they state:

"Scripture teaches that salvation is all God's work. Those who believe are saved utterly apart from any effort"

Lou stated above that there is some kind of "commitment" to perform good works entailed in J Macs description of the Gospel, yet He states:

Scripture teaches that the object of faith is Christ Himself, not a creed or a promise

and...

"the saved are justified by grace through faith in Christ alone"

Hmmm....

 

[webdog]

It is a change of heart, but genuine repentance will cause a change of behavior as well

Um...a change of behavior is works.

 

[Havensdad]

Let's see...that is at least the third time you have alluded to his book as driving his motivations. The first couple of time you claimed it was to "lighten things up". It is apparent that Havensdad was being quite dishonest in this claim earlier today, and he intends to call out LM's character, motivation and walk rather than address the position.

Is trolling not a violation of the BB anymore?

Uhh, the JOKES were to lighten the mood. The "alluding to his book driving his motivations", was due to him spamming the same post in multiple threads, multiple times, which mentioned the republication of his book.

In regards to "calling out His character", he referred to L.S. believers on this board as "disingenuous" "Lordship apologists". All of this, while He quotes Macarthur in such a way that it conveys the OPPOSITE of what Macarthur is saying (such as cutting off remarks at the end of a sentence).

In regards to "addressing His position, Lou will not post scripture SUPPORTING his position, instead maligning Macarthur....how should we address it?

 

[Havensdad]

Um...a change of behavior is works.

Repentance is a change of heart, that results in good works.

You DENY that Christians will do good works?! Can you show me scripture for THAT one?

 

[Havensdad]

Hey, I noticed your from Ohio...
(changing the subject)

You ever visited Parkside Church? (Aleister Begg)

 

[webdog]

Repentance is a change of heart, that results in good works.

You DENY that Christians will do good works?! Can you show me scripture for THAT one?

Behavior is the way one conducts themselves. If "true repentance" entails the way one conducts themselves, that eliminates change of heart solely.
Christians should do good works...but 1 Peter 2 shows us that new christians are equated as babies. Babies don't do what they should, else they could feed themselves and use a toilet. A Baby will grow to do these things, but it does NOT come immediately after birth. JM and LS is expecting adult behavior from all babies.

 

[Lou Martuneac]

Matthew 7:1-2

It is likely some of you men that I mean to share this passage and admonition with will react badly and question my motive for posting even this. Nevertheless, I feel as though I owe you the admonition of Jesus to those who call into question the motives of another.

“Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again,” (Matthew 7:1-2)

J. Vernon McGee made an interesting comment on this passage that I think some of you might benefit from. McGee wrote,

These verses have really been misunderstood. To judge can mean “to decide, to distinguish, to condemn, to avenge,” and it actually can mean “to damn.” These verses do not mean that a child of God is forbidden to judge others, but it does mean that we are not to judge the inward motives of others in the sense of condemning them.

We do not know or understand why a brother in Christ does a certain thing. We see only outward acts. God doesn’t forbid judging wrong and evil actions, as we will see. The point is that if you are harsh in your judgments of others, you will be known as the type of person who is severe in his considerations of others. (Thru the Bible with J. Vernon McGee, Vol. 4, p. 40.)

 

[webdog]

Hey, I noticed your from Ohio...
(changing the subject)

You ever visited Parkside Church? (Aleister Begg)

Not yet...it's on my list of local churches I would like to visit. I listen to Begg on WCRF locally, he's solid (except that little calvinism thingy )