Perserverance

[Gershom]

The interpretation of this passage wasn't made through a Calvinistic lens. Maybe open your eyes and see the context if you can see past your hate? You constantly scour the BB to call people arrogant, condescending, scripture twisters, and spread your hate for the brethren &c. Take a look at 1 John about hate for brothers. I've had and seen enough of your drivel. It's time for you to go buh bye!!! :wavey:

1 Timothy 5:1a Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father NASB

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

correct. now you have no escape from suffering...LOL

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

1 Timothy 5:1a Do not sharply rebuke an older man, but rather appeal to him as a father NASB

Gershom Brother.....do we get to list our ages now? What your trying to say is that respect should be honored. It should.

 

[preacher4truth]

I don't know what your response was, but the greek word means to vomit, vomit forth, throw up
God's children are not vomited out.
Also they are overcomers and these people were not.

Once more: We are not in Jesus' mouth.

 

[preacher4truth]

freeatlast you've never answered to whom He was speaking. For obvious reasons.

Playing dumb when I asked if we are in His mouth doesn't help your cause either.


That's why I won't engage with you. You avoid.

 

[Gershom]

Gershom Brother.....do we get to list our ages now? What your trying to say is that respect should be honored. It should.

I am 45. A young man. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[preacher4truth]

To refuse dialogue with a sower of discord is Biblical. Hence, I cut off Robert Snow. No matter his age.

There was no sharp rebuke. And the authority to do what I have done is Scriptural. 1 Timothy 4. And more.

Get in the Word. All of it.

When a brother acts as he did, that is a biblical response.

Go learn to rightly divide the Word. Age doesn't exempt ANYONE from being able to talk as he does, and escape biblical avoidance.

:thumbsup:

 

[pinoybaptist]

Not so! The passage is a rebuke to a church (claimed church) that has departed and now is filled with unbelievers. The Lord never will spue His children out of His mouth. He never says of His children and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
The saved are not wretched, (that word means to be afflicted) We are healed, The saved are not blind, while we see dimly we do see. The saved are not miserable, by the way that word means "to be pitied" The saved are not poor, we have the riches of God, The saved are not blind, our eyes have been opened. None of those terms are for believers. They all however are for the lost.

Also the the Lord says:
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God,
Then again He says;
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne,
These people had not overcame.That means they were lost.
1John 2:13, 1John 2:14, 1John 4:4
Overcomers are saved children of God. These in the Revelation still need to be saved.

I repeat, this Scripture, DOES NOT refer to eternal salvation. The Lord is speaking to His local body in that region, His earthly corporate body, who have strayed away from Him. He is not dealing with individuals. A church, then, now, anywhere, anytime, can be immensely wealthy because of its members, and yet very spiritually poor because it has shut out of its doors the true source of true wealth.
A church can appear to be happy and vibrant to its own eyes and to those within and outside who look at it and see the outside, yet it is wretched in the eyes of Him it calls Lord and Master.
The knock at the door is a call for this church to repent and return to its true Owner and its spiritual roots.
It is not a knock on the individual's heart.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Spot on again. If they like the verse and it seems to support their theology, they will post it over and over again. If it contradicts them they explain it away.

Jehovah's Witnesses will do the same exact thing. Tell them that Jesus is God and they will quote John 14:28 where Jesus said, "for my father is greater than I".

It's a house of cards.

Robert....this isnt a tennis match we are talking about here & Reformed Believers aren't a cult.

Im sorry Robert...I should have been addressing Winman.

 

[Gershom]

To refuse dialogue with a sower of discord is Biblical.Hence, I cut off Robert Snow. No matter his age.

There was no sharp rebuke. And the authority to do what I have done is Scriptural. 1 Timothy 4. And more.

Get in the Word. All of it.

When a brother acts as he did, that is a biblical response.

:thumbsup:

It's fine to cut him off, but you did not treat him as you should have according to 1 Timothy 5:1. Your response was not biblical, friend.

 

[freeatlast]

Once more: We are not in Jesus' mouth.

Once more I don't see your logic by the statement. The verse is an analogy showing that when a lost person plays church it makes the Lord sick and He will not retain them.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am 45. A young man. :smilewinkgrin:

Why your a kid

 

[freeatlast]

freeatlast you've never answered to whom He was speaking. For obvious reasons.

Playing dumb when I asked if we are in His mouth doesn't help your cause either.


That's why I won't engage with you. You avoid.

I did answer. I have answered everything I am asked. I might miss something but I am not sidestepping anything. You are not engaging because you are long out of ammunition and now shooting blanks. :laugh:

 

[preacher4truth]

Once more I don't see your logic by the statement. The verse is an analogy showing that when a lost person plays church it makes the Lord sick and He will not retain them.

Not at all.

You get my analogy perfectly. This is not about a lost person.


My last response to you concerning this. You will not see the truth or context.

 

[preacher4truth]

I repeat, this Scripture, DOES NOT refer to eternal salvation. The Lord is speaking to His local body in that region, His earthly corporate body, who have strayed away from Him. He is not dealing with individuals. A church, then, now, anywhere, anytime, can be immensely wealthy because of its members, and yet very spiritually poor because it has shut out of its doors the true source of true wealth.
A church can appear to be happy and vibrant to its own eyes and to those within and outside who look at it and see the outside, yet it is wretched in the eyes of Him it calls Lord and Master.
The knock at the door is a call for this church to repent and return to its true Owner and its spiritual roots.
It is not a knock on the individual's heart.

He won't get it. It's a waste of time. He's degenerated to insolent behavior already.

 

[freeatlast]

Not at all.

You get my analogy perfectly. This is not about a lost person.


My last response to you concerning this. You will not see the truth or context.

Tell me then if these people are saved and not living as the Lord wants, what is the threat? Are they going to lose their salvation? What exactly is he going to do with them?

 

[preacher4truth]

Tell me then if these people are saved and not living as the Lord wants, what is the threat? Are they going to lose their salvation? What exactly is he going to do with them?

Why would I explain that to you when you can't get the context of 3:20 down? Every bit of help I extend to you, you refuse.

Was He talking to the churches, or to lost people? Since to a church, why misapply 3:20 as you do?

You make 3:20 stand on its own, out of context, to be used as an invitation to be saved, when in fact, these are already saved, since they are the church. With your interpretation, then, they are the church, and need to be saved yet again. So with that, you believe in loss of salvation?

What was He telling them to do, where they had fallen, and why did HE invite the church, and say He was knocking on their door?

Read the entire passage and perhaps you'll stop taking Scriptures out of context as you frequently do.

 

[freeatlast]

Why would I explain that to you when you can't get the context of 3:20 down? Every bit of help I extend to you, you refuse.

Was He talking to the churches, or to lost people? Since to a church, why misapply 3:20 as you do?

You make 3:20 stand on its own, out of context, to be used as an invitation to be saved, when in fact, these are already saved, since they are the church. With your interpretation, then, they are the church, and need to be saved yet again. So with that, you believe in loss of salvation?

What was He telling them to do, where they had fallen, and why did HE invite the church, and say He was knocking on their door?

Read the entire passage and perhaps you'll stop taking Scriptures out of context as you frequently do.

You are actually incorrect. He was speaking to the pastor of the church to warn those in the church. Chain of command you know. he was letting them know that this church was not His and he would spue them out if they did not get right. By the way he did. That church historically died. it is also a picture of the church today.
You can answer my questions now, but i think you know you are wrong and the answers would make no sense
.

 

[preacher4truth]

You are actually incorrect. He was speaking to the pastor of the church to warn those in the church. Chain of command you know. he was letting them know that this church was not His and he would spue them out if they did not get right. By the way he did. That church historically died. it is also a picture of the church today.
You can answer my questions now, but i think you know you are wrong and the answers would make no sense
.

Uh...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can use this for sermon material for an example of eisegesis and misinterpretation.

Now it was a false church. He was speaking to their pastor? Yet He said let the "churches" hear what the Spirit says to them.

What was the pastors name? :laugh:

He was going to spue them out, of what, His mouth? The church is in his mouth, or in His hand?


You're a theological mess. I had a professor in college who had a saying for those, as you, who continually misinterpret Scriptures.

 

[freeatlast]

Uh...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I can use this for sermon material for an example of eisegesis and misinterpretation.

Now it was a false church. He was speaking to their pastor? Yet He said let the "churches" hear what the Spirit says to them.

What was the pastors name? :laugh:

He was going to spue them out, of what, His mouth? The church is in his mouth, or in His hand?


You're a theological mess. I had a professor in college who had a saying for those, as you, who continually misinterpret Scriptures.

I am always glad to be of help with sermon material to a struggling preacher. I just hate to help you isogete a passage as you are doing instead of exegete one.