Petition for border Control guys wrongly convicted

[Phillipians121]

http://www.grassfire.org/142/petition.asp?PID=12141235&NID=1

Click here to sign a petition for the boarder control guys who were wrongly convicted

 

[DeeJay]

I gave several reasons in the other thread about this why these guys were probably not wrongly convicted.

They did not report the shooting.
They picked up casings to cover up the shooting.
Other boarder patrol agents testified against them.

 

[Phillipians121]

At the very worst these guys may deserve a suspension or reprimand but not JAIL! And of course the real criminal in all of this is being treated like a victim! The same guy that smuggled drugs in and refused to stop, etc, etc, etc... This whole thing is a mess and once again you rarely hear these kind of stories from this liberal society that we live in!

I agree with this guy Deejay. Sorry but I am not a bleeding heart liberal or a blindsighted conservative. We have so much crime in this country because all we do is slap wrists and give the perps more rights than the victims.

I live in a state where over 40% are mexican and I am sure most are illigal.

 

[DeeJay]

I agree with this guy Deejay. Sorry but I am not a bleeding heart liberal or a blindsighted conservative. We have so much crime in this country because all we do is slap wrists and give the perps more rights than the victims.

I live in a state where over 40% are mexican and I am sure most are illigal.

I am also not a bleeding heart liberal and not only that being in law enforcement myself I generaly give Officers the benifit of the doubt. I have defended law enforcement on this board more then once. I have seen too many news stories that skew the story to be against the cop and for the criminal.

I also agree that there is way to much crime. But having officers contribute to the crime is not helping.

I am all for enforcing laws at our borders. I am all for giving police the tools and support they need. BUT in the case of these two they have crossed the line and become criminals themselfs. The only thing I dislike more then criminals are dirty cops.

These guys own co-workers, fellow border agents, testified AGAINST them. It does not help the cause to condone criminal acts by the people charged with enforcing the law.

 

[DeeJay]

What the DA has to say about the case.

"I feel no sympathy for the alien," Sutton said after the sentencing. "I feel he should be in prison. If we find him smuggling drugs again" we will put him in prison.

But Sutton said he was forced to charge Ramos and Compean because they broke the law when they shot Aldrete, didn't report it and then tampered with evidence by picking up several spent bullet casings.

"We cannot look the other way and we will not," Sutton said. He said the Border Patrol badge is "not a license to shoot people. It is not a license to shoot unarmed suspects who are running away from them."

 

[donnA]

So if he smuggles drugs again he's going to prison. Which means he got off this time. So, how many times do you have to get caught smuggling drugs before you go to jail? So what other crimes fall under that I wonder?

 

[DeeJay]

So if he smuggles drugs again he's going to prison. Which means he got off this time. So, how many times do you have to get caught smuggling drugs before you go to jail? So what other crimes fall under that I wonder?

Every cop understands if you botch an investigation then the suspect gets off. These cops not only botched the investigation, they did not even report the incident. If you want a conviction, reporting the crime would be helpful.

Hopefully next time the guy does it the cops will make an arrest instead of just shooting at the guy then covering the whole thing up.

 

[Bro. James Reed]

Every cop understands if you botch an investigation then the suspect gets off. These cops not only botched the investigation, they did not even report the incident. If you want a conviction, reporting the crime would be helpful.

Hopefully next time the guy does it the cops will make an arrest instead of just shooting at the guy then covering the whole thing up.

It seems to me that too many criminals are getting off based on technicalities. Guilt or innocence is not dependent on technicalities. If you commit a crime, you should be punished. If the cops did something wrong in investigating that crime, they should be punished for their part, but the criminal should not be rewarded and the victims victimized yet again.

Sometimes I think we look too much for perfecting by law enforcement agencies, and when they aren't perfect, we reward the bad guys.

In lieu of letting the drug trafficker go, he should go to jail, and the border guards should be punished apart from that for their misdeeds.

If someone is knowingly guilty, technicalities should fly out the window, imo.

 

[Terry_Herrington]

It seems to me that too many criminals are getting off based on technicalities. Guilt or innocence is not dependent on technicalities. If you commit a crime, you should be punished. If the cops did something wrong in investigating that crime, they should be punished for their part, but the criminal should not be rewarded and the victims victimized yet again.

Sometimes I think we look too much for perfecting by law enforcement agencies, and when they aren't perfect, we reward the bad guys.

In lieu of letting the drug trafficker go, he should go to jail, and the border guards should be punished apart from that for their misdeeds.

If someone is knowingly guilty, technicalities should fly out the window, imo.

I'm sure glad you don't make the rules!

 

[Bro. James Reed]

I'm sure glad you don't make the rules!

Why? Because more real criminals would be in jail where they belong?

I am not talking about cases where there is a real possibility that the person convicted, or indicted, is innocent.

I am talking about cases where there is absolute proof that the person convicted committed the crime.

How is getting a murderer, rapist, drug dealer, kidnapper, etc. out of jail on a technicality justice for anyone?

We have these situations, and then people wonder why people are willing to take the law into their own hands when dealing with these criminals because we know that there is a possibility that justice will not be served.

Justice is about punishment for those who committed a crime and relief for those who did not. Getting out of jail on a technicality does not make a person innocent and makes our system of "justice" look inferior to common sense in those instances.

Again, should those who "botched" an investigation be punished? Yes. But, should those who are guilty of the crime be rewarded because some investigator made a mistake on something? Absolutely not.

Case in point, the man who kidnapped, raped, and murdered Jessica Lunsford had his confession thrown out on such a technicality, yet, anyone whith half a brain knows from the evidence, and from his so-called "illegal" confession, that he did it. He may not be convicted now, and who suffers for it? Jessica's family, as well as the next little girl this man decides to kidnapo, knowing that a guilty man can skirt the law and remain free to rape and murder. Is that justice?

If I was her father, I would be meeting that man with a gun and solve the problem for everyone. He has no right to be free, and in my opinion, no right to continue living. If the government can not send away a guilty criminal, what kind of faith are we to have in it?

What if every case had some little error in it, even though the defendant was guilty as sin, and everyone knew it. Should we allow all criminals to roam free because of that? I know that is a pretty far-fetched statement, but it is possible nonetheless.

This is the same sort of reasoning that the Minute Men project is using. Where the government fails to protect its citizens, our lives, and our property, we, as the citizenry, must step up and take the lead and carry out justice.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Back in 1977 a sugarcane plantation owner in the Philippines murdered five women by torturing them and burying them alive in different places in his plantation with the help of his driver who later ratted on him.
He was put in prison in an air-conditioned cell with a tv, fridge and phone line for six months, later released from prison thru dreamed up technicalities and connections with the then dictator and fled to Spain where his roots came from.
15 years later he returned to the same place and began to run his plantation personally as before thinking any desire for revenge would then have cooled.
Five days after he returned, his head was blown away by an 18 year old member of the New People's Army of the Communist Party of the Philippines.
Don't mean to hijack, but I remembered this germ because of Brother Reed's post.
Peasants in my country sometimes turn to the communist guerillas for swift justice especially when the guy in the other end has money, connections, and is ruthless.

 

[Phillipians121]

I see what you are saying Deejay and agree with alot of it. I am in very much agreement with Bro James Reed!

 

[Petra-O IX]

I gave several reasons in the other thread about this why these guys were probably not wrongly convicted.

They did not report the shooting.
They picked up casings to cover up the shooting.
Other boarder patrol agents testified against them.

carpo had started a thread sometime ago:

Mexican Soldiers Aiding Drug Cartels on U.S. Soil

I had mentioned the incident of of the two border patrol agents ( Now this topic)who were convicted . My first concensus was that they were unfairly treated.
I didn't know that their were other Border agents that testified against these guys. I would be curious to know DeeJay if you might have a link to this .

 

[Roy]

Thanks for posting the petition. I filled mine out and sent it.

Roy

 

[Terry_Herrington]

Looks like these two Border Patrol Officers should go to jail, to me.

 

[Daisy]

I'm with DeeJay on this.

 

[DeeJay]

carpo had started a thread sometime ago:

Mexican Soldiers Aiding Drug Cartels on U.S. Soil

I had mentioned the incident of of the two border patrol agents ( Now this topic)who were convicted . My first concensus was that they were unfairly treated.
I didn't know that their were other Border agents that testified against these guys. I would be curious to know DeeJay if you might have a link to this .

It was in the original artical that I can not find now. But I did find this from the US attorney.


http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/txw/press_releases/2006/compeanramosfinal.pdf

According to the testimony of seven other Border Patrol agents who arrived at the scene of the incident after the shooting, neither Compean nor Ramos mentioned that the driver who absconded had a gun, or that any agent’s life was in danger. Defendant Compean repeatedly denied that he had been injured by the driver and refused the supervisor’s offer to file a Report of Assault on his behalf.

At the scene, Ramos told a supervisor that as the suspect fled from the vehicle, agent Compean was on the levee attempting to apprehend him. Defendant Ramos said that as the suspect tried to flee Compean either tried to grab the suspect, or did a "side to side" movement, but fell to the ground and got dirt in his eyes. Ramos did not mention the shooting, and said nothing about the suspect having a weapon. At the scene, when asked why he was so excited, Ramos told another agent that it was just the adrenalin that had him all pumped up.

One more thing to think about. These guys were found guilty by a Texas Jury. Texas is not really known to be a bleeding heart liberal easy on crime state.

 

[DeeJay]

Thanks for posting the petition. I filled mine out and sent it.

Roy

Wow, I hope if I ever really mess up and break the law, I can find people who are not interested in the facts to petition for my release.

 

[Petra-O IX]

Thanks DeeJay for the link .
At first when I recieved the information on this incident I felt that the agents in question were being unfairly treated, now I see I was wrong in my assumption.
I do agree with the sentiments of Bro. James Reed

How is getting a murderer, rapist, drug dealer, kidnapper, etc. out of jail on a technicality justice for anyone?

 

[DeeJay]

Thanks DeeJay for the link .
At first when I recieved the information on this incident I felt that the agents in question were being unfairly treated, now I see I was wrong in my assumption.
I do agree with the sentiments of Bro. James Reed

I also agree with Bro. Reed in the sence that most of the technicalities that criminals get off with are rediculous. Because the Officer did not say something or read something, things were not just perfect so the criminal gets off. That could and should be changed.

I found the original thread and the original artical. Reading it I notice how I start to defent the Officers and then re-read the artical. Anyway here it is.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=32578&highlight=border

http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_4141562

Her arguments, along with testimony from other agents on the scene and that of the smuggler himself, swayed a jury. It was a crushing blow to Compean and Ramos, both of whom had pursued suspects along the border as a regular part of their job.