Phoney Terror Threats?

[poncho]

I just asked my good friend NiteShift in another thread how many actual terrorist events and terror plots blamed on "Al Qeada" he could name that did not involve government informants acting as ringleaders since 2001.

Let's see how many he can up with. I'll check back in a little bit to see how he's doing. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[poncho]

My friend NS must be on vacation. Or he's still searching.

Can anyone else find any actual terrorist events or terror plots blamed on "Al Qeada" that did not involve government informants acting as ringleaders since 2001?

 

[targus]

My friend NS must be on vacation. Or he's still searching.

Can anyone else find any actual terrorist events or terror plots blamed on "Al Qeada" that did not involve government informants acting as ringleaders since 2001?

Where is it that you think that one would obtain such information - considering that it would most likely be classified?

 

[targus]

Poncho, in the interest of fairness...

Can you please prove that there is no terrorist threat?

 

[poncho]

Where is it that you think that one would obtain such information - considering that it would most likely be classified?

Classified?

The many terror events and plots that did have government informants acting as ringleadrs can easily be found in the corporate mass media's newspapers and tv shows.

These "threats" have been used to frighten Americans into accepting a whole host of intrusive big government "security" measures and other extra constitutional acts and it's been working very well for the big intrusive government and it's corporate partners in mass media.

To classify any of these "threats" would be kind of like killing their golden goose. No, I suspect you can't find any terror events or plots void of government informant ringleaders because they do not exist.

 

[targus]

Classified?

The many terror events and plots that did have government informants acting as ringleadrs can easily be found in the corporate mass media's newspapers and tv shows.

These "threats" have been used to frighten Americans into accepting a whole host of intrusive big government "security" measures and other extra constitutional acts and it's been working very well for the big intrusive government and it's corporate partners in mass media.

To classify any of these "threats" would be kind of like killing their golden goose. No, I suspect you can't find any terror events or plots void of government informant ringleaders because they do not exist.

Sounds like an admission that since you don't have access to government classified information - your claim comes simply from your imagination.

 

[poncho]

Poncho, in the interest of fairness...

Can you please prove that there is no terrorist threat?

targus, in the interest of fairness . . . I've never ever said there is no terrorist threat. Clearly there are people out there who hate us and wish to do us harm. We Americans have always lived under the threat of terrorism. Whether it came from the indians, the Spanish, the British, the French or whoever we were under the threat of terrorism from our own King before we were a nation.

No, there is now and always has been a terrorist threat.

What I do say is that most of them today are contrived. Can I prove this?

Well, history does show that our government and mass media have contrived these kinds of threats among others for decades to persuade the public into accepting wars and the consolidation of power into fewer and fewer hands.

I guess it all boils to whether you'd rather believe history and facts or an overgrown corupt government that has been taken over by global corporate interests.

 

[poncho]

Sounds like an admission that since you don't have access to government classified information - your claim comes simply from your imagination.

No, not really I have a few centuries worth of evidence to back my position. I don't need access to classified stuff. What has already been declassified about the government's use of false flag terrorism is enough for now. I could probably fill all ten pages of this thread with such evidence. What would be your reply if I did I wonder?

It would probably be something like, "Poncho, you just hate America."

 

[targus]

targus, in the interest of fairness . . . I've never ever said there is no terrorist threat. Clearly there are people out there who hate us and wish to do us harm. We Americans have always lived under the threat of terrorism. Whether it came from the indians, the Spanish, the British, the French or whoever we were under the threat of terrorism from our own King at before we were a nation.

No, there is now and always has been a terrorist threat.

What I do say is that most of them today are contrived. Can I prove this?

Well, history does show that our government and mass media have contrived these kinds of threats among others for decades to persuade the public into accepting wars and the consolidation of power into fewer and fewer hands.

I guess it all boils to whether you'd rather believe history and facts or an overgrown corupt government that has been taken over by global corporate interests.

So you admit that there are terrorist threats...

Then what is the point of your challenge?

 

[poncho]

So you admit that there are terrorist threats...

Then what is the point of your challenge?

Find the real terrorist threat. Out of all the constantly hyped up contrived threats we face each day there is a real threat. I challenge you and everyone to find it, identify it and do something about it.

Here's a hint, it ain't "Al Qeada".

 

[carpro]

Where is it that you think that one would obtain such information - considering that it would most likely be classified?

It's a game. It's like proving a negative.

It's a weak tactic, but CTs will do anything to make themselves look like legitimate authorities on the things that frighten them the most.

 

[targus]

Find the real terrorist threat. Out of all the constantly hyped up contrived threats we face each day there is a real threat. I challenge you and everyone to find it, identify it and do something about it.

Here's a hint, it ain't "Al Qeada".

For some I would hazard that imagined conspricacy theories are the biggest threat - to their sanity anyway. :laugh:

What to do about it?

Psychotropic drugs maybe? :laugh:

 

[InTheLight]

No, not really I have a few centuries worth of evidence to back my position. I don't need access to classified stuff. What has already been declassified about the government's use of false flag terrorism is enough for now. I could probably fill all ten pages of this thread with such evidence. What would be your reply if I did I wonder?

Please post some of this evidence. I'd like to see it.

 

[InTheLight]

My friend NS must be on vacation. Or he's still searching.

Can anyone else find any actual terrorist events or terror plots blamed on "Al Qeada" that did not involve government informants acting as ringleaders since 2001?

Sure. The Times Square car bombing attempt last May.

A suspect accused of attempting to plant a bomb on New York's Times Square has ties with the Islamic preacher who inspired a US soldier to kill 12 comrades at Fort Hood and the Christmas Day would-be bomber.

Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani-born US citizen has told interrogators that he been inspired to take up the cause of al Qaeda and radical Islam by the internet messages of Anwar Al-Awlaki, a Yemen-based imam.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...omb-suspect-had-links-to-terror-preacher.html

 

[poncho]

It's a game. It's like proving a negative.

It's a weak tactic, but CTs will do anything to make themselves look like legitimate authorities on the things that frighten them the most.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs4Gj7JsET4&feature=related :laugh:

 

[poncho]

Please post some of this evidence. I'd like to see it.

Sure no problem. Hope you're not to busy for the next few days or weeks.

It'll take that long to go through it all. :smilewinkgrin:


But, first do you know what "false flag" operations are? Or how they've been used in the past as pretexts for wars?

Here's one example.

The Reichstag Fire.

How History Is Created.

Our friend "Pee Wee" will no doubt have some more demonization attempts and childish antics to display in this thread but don't let him bother ya. He gets a power trip from the warfare state and hates it whenever anyone posts the truth about it. Evidently he's a strong believer in the Orwellian adage of "ignorance is strength" :smilewinkgrin:

 

[InTheLight]

Sure no problem. Hope you're not to busy for the next few days or weeks.

It'll take that long to go through it all. :smilewinkgrin:

In that case, perhaps just one or two of the most blatant examples would suffice.

But, first do you know what "false flag" operations are? Or how they've been used in the past as pretexts for wars?

Yes, I'm aware of false flag operations.

 

[poncho]

In that case, perhaps just one or two of the most blatant examples would suffice.



Yes, I'm aware of false flag operations.

Have you heard about the Northwoods Document? Or Operation TPAJAX?

Are you familiar with the term strategy of tension?


The covert objectives of Gladio were to spread panic and unrest through the implementation of "terrorist outrages," and also to directly attack the Left in an attempt to provoke them into an armed response. The purpose of this strategy was to demonize the Left and isolate them from popular support, while providing an excuse to curtain civil liberties. As a 1969 memo from Aginter Press, a fascist front group, explained:

Our belief is that the first phase of political activity ought to be to create the conditions favouring the installation of chaos in all of the regime's structures. This should necessarily begin with the undermining of the state economy so as to arrive at confusion throughout the whole legal apparatus. This leads on to a situation of strong political tension, fear in the world of industry and hostility towards the government and the political parties.… In our view the first move we should make is to destroy the structure of the democratic state, under the cover of communist and pro-Chinese activities. Moreover, we have people who have infiltrated these groups and obviously we will have to tailor our actions to the ethos of the milieu — propaganda and action of a sort which will seem to have emanated from our communist adversaries and pressure brought to bear on people in whom power is invested at every level. That will create a feeling of hostility towards those who threaten the people of each and every nation, and at the same time we must raise up a defender of the citizenry against the disintegration brought about by terrorism and subversion.…

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This "strategy of tension," organized around a brutal campaign of terror and murder, resulted in the deaths of hundreds of people during the decades of the 1970s and '80s. The wave of terror led to the severe restriction of civil rights, with the 1975 law restricting popular campaigning and radical political discussion. Many people were locked up under "anti-terrorist" legislation (sound familiar?) or expelled from the country.

SOURCE

In other words, the idea was to first terrorize the citizenry then provide a defender to keep them safe . . . by curtailing civil liberties and cracking down on dissent. It's an old old method. Telling the truth becomes treason and political dissent makes YOU a terrorist suspect.


Have you heard of agent provocateurs?

An agent provocateur may be a police officer or a secret agent of police who encourages suspects to carry out a crime under conditions where evidence can be obtained; or who suggests the commission of a crime to another, in hopes they will go along with the suggestion and be convicted of the crime.

Which leads us to all these so called "terror events and plots" that have government informants acting as the ringleaders. I could post a bunch of these stories too if you'd like.

But wait that's not all! I'll go one better and actually follow up on these stories so you can see how they turned out in court. But not today. You have enough to ponder for now.

 

[InTheLight]

Have you heard of agent provocateurs?

Yes, I'm familiar with the term. And I'm familiar with historical CIA operations abroad.

Which leads us to all these so called "terror events and plots" that have government informants acting as the ringleaders. I could post a bunch of these stories too if you'd like.

Yes, that was what I was asking to read about. One or two examples would be good.

 

[poncho]

Yes, I'm familiar with the term. And I'm familiar with historical CIA operations abroad.



Yes, that was what I was asking to read about. One or two examples would be good.

Remember the "Liberty City Seven"?

Who were the ringleaders? Two paid FBI informants.

FBI Role in Terror Probe Questioned.

What was in it for the informants? $$$