PLANES CRASH INTO WTC in NYC

The lessons by Jesus, Paul, et al regarding “turning the other cheek,” are applicable on an interpersonal level. Regarding a national level, we need to look at, for example, what God commanded Joshua to do, including wipe out entire races of peoples. Israel is and always will be God's chosen. The Jews in Israel today are not garbage to God as has been suggested. They are in a current state of rejection, but God said, "I will strengthen the house of Judah and save the house of Joseph. I will restore them because I have compassion on them. They will be as though I had not rejected them, for I am the LORD their God and I will answer them. (Zec 10:6 NIV)

God said, "I will restore my people Israel." I believe that in this "church age" the United States is "God's chosen Gentile people." Also, we were attacked because of our alliance and support of Israel. To most of the Arab world, because we side with Israel, we are "the enemy." Look at the vengeance that God ordered the Israelites to exact out on "enemies of Israel" in the book of Joshua: Edom, Moab, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Perizzites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, and the Jebusites.
I thank God that we have a president who starts his morning everyday with prayer, and I pray that God will speak to his heart His will in this matter as God did Joshua, King David, and others. Unfortunately, I can’t see the hearts of Islamic terrorists being softened by a response of forgiveness. Terrorists are totally wicked people, and God instructed Joshua to annihilate the totally wicked people listed above.

"When your people go to war against their enemies, wherever you send them, and when they pray to the LORD toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name, then hear from heaven their prayer and their plea, and uphold their cause. (1 Ki 8:44-45 NIV)

 

Can anyone, with confirmed accuracy, tell me exactly how many buildings have actually collapsed? I have heard different reports.

 

Joy,

I live in Massachusetts and I will tell you what I heard on the news...so take it as that.

Of course, we know that the twin towers in NY have fallen and building #7 which is close by has fallen. Now building #5 is in severe jeopardy of falling also. They put some supports up hopefully to help but they really don't think it will keep it up.

Also, like we all know the Pentagon is broken in one part and I just heard that the part they hit was the part over Arlington National cemetary and this is troubling to many.

These targets were very well planned. I don't know what you heard but I also heard that the men on the plane that went down in PA were going to try to overcome the hijackers and many think it was on the way to the capital building in Washington.

I hope this has helped a little if you have a specific question I can watch specifically to see if I can find the answer.

God Bless...

Cyndi

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by John Wells:
The lessons by Jesus, Paul, et al regarding “turning the other cheek,” are applicable on an interpersonal level. Regarding a national level, we need to look at, for example, what God commanded Joshua to do, including wipe out entire races of peoples. Israel is and always will be God's chosen. The Jews in Israel today are not garbage to God as has been suggested. They are in a current state of rejection, but God said, "I will strengthen the house of Judah and save the house of Joseph. I will restore them because I have compassion on them. They will be as though I had not rejected them, for I am the LORD their God and I will answer them. (Zec 10:6 NIV)

God said, "I will restore my people Israel." I believe that in this "church age" the United States is "God's chosen Gentile people." Also, we were attacked because of our alliance and support of Israel. To most of the Arab world, because we side with Israel, we are "the enemy." Look at the vengeance that God ordered the Israelites to exact out on "enemies of Israel" in the book of Joshua: Edom, Moab, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Hivites, the Perizzites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, and the Jebusites.
I thank God that we have a president who starts his morning everyday with prayer, and I pray that God will speak to his heart His will in this matter as God did Joshua, King David, and others. Unfortunately, I can’t see the hearts of Islamic terrorists being softened by a response of forgiveness. Terrorists are totally wicked people, and God instructed Joshua to annihilate the totally wicked people listed above.

"When your people go to war against their enemies, wherever you send them, and when they pray to the LORD toward the city you have chosen and the temple I have built for your Name, then hear from heaven their prayer and their plea, and uphold their cause. (1 Ki 8:44-45 NIV)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AMEN! I ditto that! Thank you Brother Wells!

Kathy
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My first time back since the tragedy, I am glad to see the Webmaster and Brother Halo on the board. I hope you were all able to remain safe and your family and friends in the city. Our prayers are with you all.

Psalm 59 has great application to this present situation in our country. It is encouraging, and at the same time, answer's some of the questions regarding the appropriateness of retaliation!

Psalm 59
"Deliver me from my enemies, O God; protect me from those who rise up against me.
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Deliver me from evildoers and save me from bloodthirsty men.
3
See how they lie in wait for me! Fierce men conspire against me for no offense or sin of mine, O LORD.
4
I have done no wrong, yet they are ready to attack me. Arise to help me; look on my plight!
5
O LORD God Almighty, the God of Israel, rouse yourself to punish all the nations; show no mercy to wicked traitors. Selah
6
They return at evening, snarling like dogs, and prowl about the city.
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See what they spew from their mouths-- they spew out swords from their lips, and they say, "Who can hear us?"
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But you, O LORD, laugh at them; you scoff at all those nations.
9
O my Strength, I watch for you; you, O God, are my fortress,
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my loving God. God will go before me and will let me gloat over those who slander me.
11
But do not kill them, O Lord our shield,[2] or my people will forget. In your might make them wander about, and bring them down.
12
For the sins of their mouths, for the words of their lips, let them be caught in their pride. For the curses and lies they utter,
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consume them in wrath, consume them till they are no more. Then it will be known to the ends of the earth that God rules over Jacob. Selah
14
They return at evening, snarling like dogs, and prowl about the city.
15
They wander about for food and howl if not satisfied.
16
But I will sing of your strength, in the morning I will sing of your love; for you are my fortress, my refuge in times of trouble.
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O my Strength, I sing praise to you; you, O God, are my fortress, my loving God. "

God will use this tragedy in ways we cannot even imagine, and I am praying and trusting that his divine purpose will be at least in a small way visible to those touched by the horror of these events.

 

They just dug out 5 firefighters from the WTC rubble. They were cooped up in their SUV. After two days being in their crammed quarters one was in good enough condition to walk away after gulping down some good NYC water, but the other 4 had to be helped.

The above story was recanted at the 5-o'clock news. The picture what reporters earlier believed was happening turned out to be misinterpretation of events. There were 5 rescue workers who slipped into a hole and as they were being pulled out it was believed that they were originally burried when the building went down. I don't know where did the SUV get into the story.

[ September 13, 2001: Message edited by: B. J. Halo ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by superdave:
My first time back since the tragedy, I am glad to see the Webmaster and Brother Halo on the board. I hope you were all able to remain safe and your family and friends in the city. Our prayers are with you all.
God will use this tragedy in ways we cannot even imagine, and I am praying and trusting that his divine purpose will be at least in a small way visible to those touched by the horror of these events.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AMEN! We all know that His way is perfect. so even things such as this that our earthly minds could never begin to understand...we can all rest in the knowledge that no matter what, His will will be done! And just like many on this board have said, we need to continue to keep our president in the top of our prayers. Pray that God makes it clear to him what he is to do and when he is to do it. As for those who think he's being remiss in not "pushing the button" I respect his position on this! I don't think God would direct him to act hastily, without knowledge. He has a huge responsibility on him during this time, I can't even begin to imagine! Yes, as president, they know what they are getting into but that doesn't make the decisions any easier. My prayers also go out to our military and their familys. I'll pray for your peace and comfort. My husband was a pilot in the navy during desert storm and I remember how I felt back then...take advantage of God's comfort during these times.

 

Contrast to the jubilant Palestinians, who were celebrating when the WTC were demolished:

Palestinian children carry Palestinian flags, a portrait of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, and a sign which reads 'We Observe a Minute of Silence in the Memory of Innocent Victims,' during a rally in the West Bank town of Ramallah to offer condolences for victims of U.S. terrorist attacks, Thursday, Sept. 13, 2001. In the West Bank and Gaza, Palestinians observed a moment of silence for the dead and wounded in the United States (from Yahoo.com).

[ September 13, 2001: Message edited by: B. J. Halo ]

 

Someone said I didn't have any Bible verses. Well here they are.

Matthew 5:44
But I say to you love your enemies, bless those who curse you do good to those who hate you and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you

Matt.6:12
And forgive us our debts,As we forgive our debtors.

Matt.6:14&15
“For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.


Matt18:21&22
Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
2Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

Mk.11:25&26
“And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him, that your Father in heaven may also forgive you your trespasses. 26£But if you do not forgive, neither will your Father in heaven forgive your trespasses.”

Ro.12:17-21
Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,”£ says the Lord. Therefore
“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
If he is thirsty, give him a drink;
For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”
Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

 

All of these verses deal with interpersonal relationships. See my previous post dealing with nations' conduct.

 

John Wells,
So you think that being filled with hatred, and the desire for vengence(for the sake of vengence, not legal reprcussions) is biblical/christlike?

I do agree they do owe us legally, and should stand trial. We exacuted McVeigh, we should also exacute who ever did this. And if a country harbors those guily, then the guilt becomes theirs also. But what I am talking about is whats in the christian heart. Biblically what we are to do and think and feel, personally, not nationally. They are two different things.
Unforgivness does not harm the unforgiven, but the one who refuses to forgive. Of course they do not desreve to be forgiven, IMO(by us as a country), but whats in my heart has nothing to do with what thay deserve.I should only ask myself if my relationship with God desreves to have the wedge of unforgivness seperating me from Him. That and serve satan is all unforgivness can do.