Please list the commandments of God

[billwald]

Over the last 10 years I occasionally ask True Believers to list for me the commandments of God so I may attempt to observe them. No one ever has. You all argue on various threads about commandment keeping but apparently none of you know what you are talking about.

Someone please give me an inclusive list.

 

[BobRyan]

What the Bible refers to as "The Ten Commandments" is refered to in James 2 as "The Law of Liberty" and the Lev 19:18 - Deut 6:5 law is called "The Royal Law" in James 2.

In Romans 7 and Eph 6 the Ten Commamdments are just called the Commadments o the Law. In 1Cor 7 the "Law of God". But this is not to say that the rest of God's Word is not binding or also referred to as Law.

Many of us have accepted the "Bible" as the "Word of God" so it has 66 books in it typically.

Thus we find NT authors quoting extensively from the 39 books of the OT.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[billwald]

OK, Bob, The rabbis list 613 statements in GEN thru DEUT as the Law. You would add other statements in the rest of the Tenakh and the NT? Maybe over 1000 laws of God and no one has a list?

If you rationalize your way to not even having a list of them, why bother with any? After all, True Believers say that breaking one law is the equivalent of breaking them all, however many they may be. If we don't know what they are we must be breaking hundreds every day without knowing it. Is ignorance an excuse?

Isn't is pharisitical (sp?) to make a big deal out of some laws and ignoring the ones we don't like or are to lazy to discover?

And the people who claim only the ten biggies count . . . homosexual activity is not mentioned in the ten. Why pick out the law that makes you (not me) uneasy and claim ten laws plus one? Or plus two or three?

You say that homosexuality is condemned in the NT? Lesbianism isn't mentioned. Neither is doing interesting things . . . while shepherds watched their flocks by night.

By the way, the carol intimates that the sheep were owned by the shepherds? Is "their" in the Greek text?

I ask all these strange questions because "the devil is in the details." I'm obligated to read the fine print in human contracts but ignore the fine print in God's contracts? Only True Believers and/or official priests can understand the fine print? Isn't that what the Protestants were protesting in the first place?

 

[BobRyan]

You keep arguing that we do not know what the Bible says and thus do not know what God commands.

I find that puzzling.

You keep numbering "certain portions" of God's Word while ignoring the 1050 commands of the NT.

Again a puzzling practice on your part.

You keep arguing that Lesbianism is not condemned in the Bible - yet we see it condemned in Lev 18 AND in Romans 1. Where is your difficulty there?

And you appear to close your post with an appeal to "secret knowledge" as if only some people can read the Bible.

Again that is puzzling as well.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

Well...

If you accept Jesus as an Expert on God's Commands...

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

It all comes back to the heart attitude towards God and then towards one another...

Fortunately, as a Gentile, I am covered by the Jerusalem Council's Edict. :thumbsup:

 

[Thinkingstuff]

There are 10 commandments numbered differently depending on your christian tradition.
High christian Churches Generally list them as

1. I am the Lord your God; you shall not have strange gods before me.
2.You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.
3.Remember to keep holy the Lord's day
4.Honor your father and your mother.
5.You shall not kill.
6.You shall not commit adultery.
7.You shall not steal.
8.You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9.You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10.You shall not covet you neighbor's goods.

Most Congregational and non high protestant churches list them as

You shall have no other gods but me.
You shall not make unto you any graven images
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Honor your mother and father
You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor

Then there are 613 Mitzvot

To know there is a God Ex. 20:2
Not to entertain thoughts of other gods besides Him Ex. 20:3
To know that He is one Deut. 6:4
To love Him Deut. 6:5
To fear Him Deut. 10:20
To sanctify His Name Lev. 22:32
Not to profane His Name Lev. 22:32
Not to destroy objects associated with His Name Deut. 12:4
To listen to the prophet speaking in His Name Deut. 18:15
Not to test the prophet unduly Deut. 6:16
To emulate His ways Deut. 28:9
To cleave to those who know Him Deut. 10:20
To love other Jews Lev. 19:18
To love converts Deut. 10:19
Not to hate fellow Jews Lev. 19:17
To reprove a sinner Lev. 19:17
Not to embarrass others Lev. 19:17
Not to oppress the weak Ex. 21:22
Not to speak derogatorily of others Lev. 19:16
Not to take revenge Lev. 19:18
Not to bear a grudge Lev. 19:18
To learn Torah Deut. 6:7
To honor those who teach and know Torah Lev. 19:32
Not to inquire into idolatry Lev. 19:4
Not to follow the whims of your heart or what your eyes see Num. 15:39
Not to blaspheme Ex. 22:27
Not to worship idols in the manner they are worshiped Ex. 20:5
Not to worship idols in the four ways we worship God Ex. 20:5
Not to make an idol for yourself Ex. 20:4
Not to make an idol for others Lev. 19:4
Not to make human forms even for decorative purposes Ex. 20:20
Not to turn a city to idolatry Ex. 23:13
To burn a city that has turned to idol worship Deut. 13:17
Not to rebuild it as a city Deut. 13:17
Not to derive benefit from it Deut. 13:18
Not to missionize an individual to idol worship Deut. 13:12
Not to love the missionary Deut. 13:9
Not to cease hating the missionary Deut. 13:9
Not to save the missionary Deut. 13:9
Not to say anything in his defense Deut. 13:9
Not to refrain from incriminating him Deut. 13:9
Not to prophesize in the name of idolatry Deut. 13:14
Not to listen to a false prophet Deut. 13:4
Not to prophesize falsely in the name of God Deut. 18:20
Not to be afraid of killing the false prophet Deut. 18:22
Not to swear in the name of an idol Ex. 23:13
Not to perform ov (medium) Lev. 19:31
Not to perform yidoni ("magical seer") Lev. 19:31
Not to pass your children through the fire to Molech Lev. 18:21
Not to erect a column in a public place of worship Deut. 16:22
Not to bow down on smooth stone Lev. 26:1
Not to plant a tree in the Temple courtyard Deut. 16:21
To destroy idols and their accessories Deut. 12:2
Not to derive benefit from idols and their accessories Deut. 7:26
Not to derive benefit from ornaments of idols Deut. 7:25
Not to make a covenant with idolaters Deut. 7:2
Not to show favor to them Deut. 7:2
Not to let them dwell in the land of Israel Ex. 23:33
Not to imitate them in customs and clothing Lev. 20:23
Not to be superstitious Lev. 19:26
Not to go into a trance to foresee events, etc. Deut. 18:10
Not to engage in astrology Lev. 19:26
Not to mutter incantations Deut. 18:11
Not to attempt to contact the dead Deut. 18:11
Not to consult the ov Deut. 18:11
Not to consult the yidoni Deut. 18:11
Not to perform acts of magic Deut. 18:10
Men must not shave the hair off the sides of their head Lev. 19:27
Men must not shave their beards with a razor Lev. 19:27
Men must not wear women's clothing Deut. 22:5
Women must not wear men's clothing Deut. 22:5
Not to tattoo the skin Lev. 19:28
Not to tear the skin in mourning Deut. 14:1
Not to make a bald spot in mourning Deut. 14:1
To repent and confess wrongdoings Num. 5:7
To say the Shema twice daily Deut. 6:7
To serve the Almighty with prayer daily Ex. 23:25
The Kohanim must bless the Jewish nation daily Num. 6:23
To wear tefillin on the head Deut. 6:8
To bind tefillin on the arm Deut. 6:8
To put a mezuzah on each door post Deut. 6:9
Each male must write a Torah scroll Deut. 31:19
The king must have a separate Sefer Torah for himself Deut. 17:18
To have tzitzit on four-cornered garments Num. 15:38
To bless the Almighty after eating Deut. 8:10
To circumcise all males on the eighth day after their birth Lev. 12:3
To rest on the seventh day Ex. 23:12
Not to do prohibited labor on the seventh day Ex. 20:10
The court must not inflict punishment on Shabbat Ex. 35:3
Not to walk outside the city boundary on Shabbat Ex. 16:29
To sanctify the day with Kiddush and Havdalah Ex. 20:8
To rest from prohibited labor Lev. 23:32
Not to do prohibited labor on Yom Kippur Lev. 23:32
To afflict yourself on Yom Kippur Lev. 16:29
Not to eat or drink on Yom Kippur Lev. 23:29
To rest on the first day of Passover Lev. 23:7
Not to do prohibited labor on the first day of Passover Lev. 23:8
To rest on the seventh day of Passover Lev. 23:8
Not to do prohibited labor on the seventh day of Passover Lev. 23:8
To rest on Shavuot Lev. 23:21

 

[Thinkingstuff]

That only list 100 of the 613 laws. And then we have Jesus summary of all the commandments into two catagories. 1) love God with all that we have and 2) love each other as we love ourselves. According to Jesus all the Laws and prophets hang on these two principles. You can find an entire listing of the 613 Mitzvot here http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/practices/613.htm
then if you want to go catholic/orthodox/anglican there are canon laws which also number in the hundreds.
Does that help you with the laws?

 

[matt wade]

Yet another mocking thread by billwald, the unbeliever.

His reference to "True Believers" should set off all your raders. He is simply attempting to call us all fanatics, ala "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer.

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Yet another mocking thread by billwald, the unbeliever.

His reference to "True Believers" should set off all your raders. He is simply attempting to call us all fanatics, ala "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer.

what is this "true believer" stuff? Who's Eric Hoffer?

 

[matt wade]

what is this "true believer" stuff? Who's Eric Hoffer?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer

 

[jaigner]

Commands are different than commandments.

When you instruct a child to do something, you're not giving them a "commandment."

 

[jaigner]

Yet another mocking thread by billwald, the unbeliever.

His reference to "True Believers" should set off all your raders. He is simply attempting to call us all fanatics, ala "The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer.

Dear Matt,

I find it very disturbing that you would call someone "the unbeliever" when your own behavior is very decidedly sub-Christian.

Think about it.

Your friend,

jaigner

 

[matt wade]

Dear Matt,

I find it very disturbing that you would call someone "the unbeliever" when your own behavior is very decidedly sub-Christian.

Think about it.

Your friend,

jaigner

Please stop stalking me.

 

[jaigner]

Please stop stalking me.

Even if I was stalking you, which I'm clearly not, you refused to treat me civilly as I asked.

 

[matt wade]

Even if I was stalking you, which I'm clearly not, you refused to treat me civilly as I asked.

Sometimes people don't always get what they ask for.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Over the last 10 years I occasionally ask True Believers to list for me the commandments of God so I may attempt to observe them. No one ever has. You all argue on various threads about commandment keeping but apparently none of you know what you are talking about.

Someone please give me an inclusive list.

GE:

I assume the reason why no one has answered you is because you expect the answer from the wrong source(s).

I would say, try the Scriptures; but rather no; not the Scriptures; try Jesus Christ Himself for your answer to “what you are talking about” yourself! Jesus Christ is all “the commandments of God so I may attempt to observe them”. Note, the answer is not only Jesus Christ is all “the commandments of God”, but, He is all “the commandments of God so I may attempt to observe them.”

From the nature of the case it is IMPOSSIBLE to “give an inclusive list”. The Christ living in you is the very Christ who became man, gave his life the sacrifice of God for the sin of man AGAINST HIM, and rose from the dead to give life to those whom He gave his life for.

That is how God Himself spelled out to us what his Commandments are. Understand it or don’t understand it.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Well...

If you accept Jesus as an Expert on God's Commands...

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

It all comes back to the heart attitude towards God and then towards one another...

Fortunately, as a Gentile, I am covered by the Jerusalem Council's Edict. :thumbsup:

GE:

'The Jerusalem Council's Edict' is as useless as the Necea council's edict to save anyone. You base your hopes on man, go ahead.... and, if you insinuated you are not obliged to keep the Sabbath by the Jerusalem Council, you're no less mistaken....

 

[SpiritualMadMan]

GE:

'The Jerusalem Council's Edict' is as useless as the Necea council's edict to save anyone. You base your hopes on man, go ahead.... and, if you insinuated you are not obliged to keep the Sabbath by the Jerusalem Council, you're no less mistaken....

Are you saying that I have to keep all the commandments to be saved? :BangHead:

Are you saying I need to keep the Sabbath to be Saved????

No one said anyone was relying on a particular councils edicts to be saved.

To be relieved from additional burdens of works, yes...

 

[BobRyan]

That only list 100 of the 613 laws. And then we have Jesus summary of all the commandments into two catagories. 1) love God with all that we have and 2) love each other as we love ourselves. According to Jesus all the Laws and prophets hang on these two principles. You can find an entire listing of the 613 Mitzvot here http://www.religionfacts.com/judaism/practices/613.htm
then if you want to go catholic/orthodox/anglican there are canon laws which also number in the hundreds.
Does that help you with the laws?

Not to mention the 1050 commands of the NT http://www.puritan-books.com/books/pdf/new_testament_commands.pdf

The bottom line is that the Bible is the "Word of God" and it contains 66 books.

Counting the number of commands we find in this book or that book does not change the basic fact.

But what is interesting is that God speaks 10 Commandments directly to mankind and even though the Law to "Love the Lord" Deut 6:5 and to "Love your Neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 is kept in the SIDE of the ark -- the actual 10 commandments themselves, as written by the finger of God are kept inside the ark. These ten were spoken by God, written by God and in Deut 5 God says "He spoke these TEN words and added no more".

Thus God Himself has set them apart.

Thus when Paul says in 1Cor 7:19 "What matters is keeping the Commandments of God"
and when Christ said pre-cross "IF you love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
and when John again says that the saints "Keep the Commandments of God" in Rev 12:17 and in Rev 14:12.
and when James quotes from them calling that unit of Ten "The Law of Liberty" --

We should at least "notice".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Are you saying that I have to keep all the commandments to be saved? :BangHead:

Are you saying I need to keep the Sabbath to be Saved????

No one said anyone was relying on a particular councils edicts to be saved.

To be relieved from additional burdens of works, yes...

GE:

You aren't to keep ANY Commandment(s) to be saved.

Afterthought:

Not even the fact you are saved is guarantee you will keep any Commandment(s).