The entire article is a strawman. No one is claiming this is a Christian nation. Completely different from what I said about it. Seems to be a serious lack of paying attention here.
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Pledge of Allegiance not what the Founding Fathers had in mind
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The entire article is a strawman. No one is claiming this is a Christian nation. Completely different from what I said about it. Seems to be a serious lack of paying attention here.
IMHO - England was not a "theocracy" Granted the King of England is also the Head of the Church of England - but the King is pretty much just a figurehead.
You know, I have researched the COTUS - and I have not found the part about "separation
of church and State - could you enlighten me?
Really? Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional convention, 49 were protrstsnt and 2 were Catholics.
So, 4 were not Christian.
It's not a strawman. It speaks directly to those who have elevated so-called conservative politics to the level of a religion. It's actually making the point that there are NO Christian nations.
In in the imaginary part.
The SCOTUS said the USA is a Christian nation.
America Is A Christian Nation · First Baptist Dallas
Introduction: Most people believe that America was founded by people from a wide variety of religious beliefs who wanted to create a secular nation that was free from any influence of any one particular religion. But as we will discover today, such a version of American history is a complete myth. We are going to examine the historical evidence that allows us to say with conviction that “America was founded as a Christian nation.”
Talk about being ignorant of history, are you aware that preachers in the early days and during the founding of this country would preach political sermons? Politics and the church was very much closely related. Those escaping the King were not trying to keep politics and the church completely separate they were just not wanting the government to tell them there could only be one state church.
Further, the overwhelming religion in this country during this time was Christianity. It pervaded every facet of life so much so that the only text book in schools was the Bible. Congress had bibles printed and had a chaplain. When you go back and look at so many of our buildings and monuments God and scripture are everywhere.
As far as attaching the church to any one political party well when there are only two and one of them (such as the dems) put on grand display their depravity. No party is perfect but the dems are about as anti-God as one can get without being Satan.
As far as arguing this is a Christian nation you have found one of the very few who are saying such a thing. It is not a common claim among conservative Christians. If your author feels he needs to write a book to respond to 4 or 5 people at best then more power to him. Just because one says that this country was founded on biblical principles does not equal saying it was founded as a Christian nation.
Sorry to inform you but, yes, saying that the United States was not founded as a theocracy and then arguing that it wasn't is the very definition of a strawman. No one has stated the US was a theocracy, therefore arguing against that premise is a strawman.
This is what you said: The entire article is a strawman. No one is claiming this is a Christian nation. Completely different from what I said about it. Seems to be a serious lack of paying attention here.
Yeah, I'm not seeing "theocracy" in that article.
Then it is not a Christian nation then. We agree.
Pretty sure a nation that allows abortion on demand, same sex marriage, state sponsored legalized gambling, legalized mind altering drugs is not a Christian nation. So I guess we agree.
Was the US founded by Christians and Deists, largely to protect religious liberties? Yes.
I agree. Then Baptists were persecuted by the Pilgrims and Roger Smith, thrown out of Plymouth colony, founded the state of Rhode island.
Christian and Protestant/Catholic are not the same. I had written "true Christians". That is not the same as occasionally quoting the Bible or, as Washington did, speak of mere "Providence".
Judging by the several books I read about Washington I would say his "Christianity" was bestowed on him posthumously by the likes of Parson Weems and others of his stamp.
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Sorta like ABORTION????????
Move the goal posts. Move it to Southern Baptists.
They identify as Christian, they are Christian for sake of discussion.
So now you can retroactively judge someone's beliefs across 250+ years? Amazing skill.
Far from wanting to delete American history, I want people to actually read it. Like I wrote earlier, you would do well to read, for instance, biographies of our leaders who I assume you think are full of "Judeo Christian principles".
Here is a start on some good biographies I have read in the last few years alone. There are others:
John Adams, by David McCullough
James Madison, by Richard Brookhiser
His Excellency: George Washington, by Joseph J. Ellis
I meant what I said when I suggested your reading biographies, not being sarcastic. There is a big difference between the picture these books give and the A Beka history books I was saddled with back when I taught in a Christian school.
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