Police charges in Freddie Gray case are incompetent at best

[Gina B]

CMG, wouldn't that have made it an illegal stop-n-frisk? That worries me, because there have been times where I would have possibly been charged if stopped and searched, even if I wasn't doing anything wrong that they could see. For example, when I was younger, I carried a switchblade for when I walked to and from my third shift job, until I found out it was illegal. One time after dental surgery, I carried a prescription pain pill in a little pill container in my purse, because I figured if anyone's kid got into it at church while I was singing up front, they wouldn't have as much of a chance of overdosing. I was trying to be overly cautious, but then saw on the news that it is illegal to carry narcotic meds outside of the container they come in.
There are so many rules and regulations that I think many people unwittingly break them regularly. Like the soccer mom who carries mace on her keychain, and picks her kids up from school. That's not allowed on school property in many areas, or in some businesses.
If illegal stops are overlooked, who is to say that I can't get an officer friend to stop someone I want to see harassed, or that an officer won't do it to me on a slow day?
Then again, if he was on probation, maybe that made him subject to being stopped and searched as part of the terms. I don't know how that works.
I do know that if a healthy person is stopped and taken into custody and nobody but police have contact with him, and then his spine is snapped and he dies, it's only logical to believe there is a 99.9% chance that it was murder. The only question left, after ruling out that he snapped his own spine and died, is if it was justifiable. Nothing released so far seems to indicate he needed killed for some reason. The other prisoner in the vehicle says the ride wasn't rough, so if that's true, it can't even be blamed on the lack of a seat belt.
Did he have a bone disease that caused his spine to be fragile, and it just happened to break at that moment?
You never know, but the odds of this being NOT caused by those who had him in custody seems pretty slim.

 

[Don]

CMG, wouldn't that have made it an illegal stop-n-frisk? That worries me, because there have been times where I would have possibly been charged if stopped and searched, even if I wasn't doing anything wrong that they could see. For example, when I was younger, I carried a switchblade for when I walked to and from my third shift job, until I found out it was illegal. One time after dental surgery, I carried a prescription pain pill in a little pill container in my purse, because I figured if anyone's kid got into it at church while I was singing up front, they wouldn't have as much of a chance of overdosing. I was trying to be overly cautious, but then saw on the news that it is illegal to carry narcotic meds outside of the container they come in.
There are so many rules and regulations that I think many people unwittingly break them regularly. Like the soccer mom who carries mace on her keychain, and picks her kids up from school. That's not allowed on school property in many areas, or in some businesses.
If illegal stops are overlooked, who is to say that I can't get an officer friend to stop someone I want to see harassed, or that an officer won't do it to me on a slow day?
Then again, if he was on probation, maybe that made him subject to being stopped and searched as part of the terms. I don't know how that works.
I do know that if a healthy person is stopped and taken into custody and nobody but police have contact with him, and then his spine is snapped and he dies, it's only logical to believe there is a 99.9% chance that it was murder. The only question left, after ruling out that he snapped his own spine and died, is if it was justifiable. Nothing released so far seems to indicate he needed killed for some reason. The other prisoner in the vehicle says the ride wasn't rough, so if that's true, it can't even be blamed on the lack of a seat belt.
Did he have a bone disease that caused his spine to be fragile, and it just happened to break at that moment?
You never know, but the odds of this being NOT caused by those who had him in custody seems pretty slim.

Why would it be an illegal stop-and-frisk? The report was that they were patrolling, and he ran away; thereby raising suspicion. Why'd he run away if he wasn't doing anything wrong?

Upon stopping him, they then took safety precautions--i.e., searched him. It's standard procedure.

What you describe about yourself is different, because you didn't try to avoid the legal authorities, and therefore gave them no reason to ask why you might be trying to avoid them.

Here's a challenge: next time you see a cop in a resaurant or coffee shop, say hi, tell them thanks for what they do, and ask them how they're doing. I'm curious as to how they respond.

 

[church mouse guy]

CMG, wouldn't that have made it an illegal stop-n-frisk? That worries me, because there have been times where I would have possibly been charged if stopped and searched, even if I wasn't doing anything wrong that they could see. For example, when I was younger, I carried a switchblade for when I walked to and from my third shift job, until I found out it was illegal. One time after dental surgery, I carried a prescription pain pill in a little pill container in my purse, because I figured if anyone's kid got into it at church while I was singing up front, they wouldn't have as much of a chance of overdosing. I was trying to be overly cautious, but then saw on the news that it is illegal to carry narcotic meds outside of the container they come in.
There are so many rules and regulations that I think many people unwittingly break them regularly. Like the soccer mom who carries mace on her keychain, and picks her kids up from school. That's not allowed on school property in many areas, or in some businesses.
If illegal stops are overlooked, who is to say that I can't get an officer friend to stop someone I want to see harassed, or that an officer won't do it to me on a slow day?
Then again, if he was on probation, maybe that made him subject to being stopped and searched as part of the terms. I don't know how that works.
I do know that if a healthy person is stopped and taken into custody and nobody but police have contact with him, and then his spine is snapped and he dies, it's only logical to believe there is a 99.9% chance that it was murder. The only question left, after ruling out that he snapped his own spine and died, is if it was justifiable. Nothing released so far seems to indicate he needed killed for some reason. The other prisoner in the vehicle says the ride wasn't rough, so if that's true, it can't even be blamed on the lack of a seat belt.
Did he have a bone disease that caused his spine to be fragile, and it just happened to break at that moment?
You never know, but the odds of this being NOT caused by those who had him in custody seems pretty slim.

The police may have known this guy from previous arrests. As for his medical condition, I think that he was recently discharged from hospital for spinal but I have no documentation at the moment. But as you point out, Gina, they can just about get anyone for anything at anytime because we have thousands of laws.

A lot of this I have read or seen on tv but some of it--I heard it through the grapevine....

 

[Gina B]

Don, why would that be a challenge? ROFL We have officers working security. I already say thanks, or show it by providing meals at times. Is their response supposed to surprise me or something? Generally we just chat a minute, they nod thanks for the meal or drink, and that's it. We have some sweeties in the department here. Some not, but they tend to do the right thing very fast when someone comes through who acts like they do just a few miles on down the road...

 

[Don]

Don, why would that be a challenge? ROFL We have officers working security. I already say thanks, or show it by providing meals at times. Is their response supposed to surprise me or something? Generally we just chat a minute, they nod thanks for the meal or drink, and that's it. We have some sweeties in the department here. Some not, but they tend to do the right thing very fast when someone comes through who acts like they do just a few miles on down the road...

My apologies; that "challenge" wasn't just for you, but I failed to identify my intended audience: everyone, including myself.

 

[carpro]

CMG, wouldn't that have made it an illegal stop-n-frisk? That worries me, because there have been times where I would have possibly been charged if stopped and searched, even if I wasn't doing anything wrong that they could see.

Wanna get searched? Run from the cops. When caught, you'll be searched. Every time. Legally.

 

[Gina B]

Sometimes when people run, it is because they are afraid they will be hurt or killed by the officers. If you don't believe that, consider that he actually was hurt or killed, and it appears to have been by the authorities.

 

[Don]

Sometimes when people run, it is because they are afraid they will be hurt or killed by the officers. If you don't believe that, consider that he actually was hurt or killed, and it appears to have been by the authorities.

Then why didn't any others present run? Or are you postulating that he was the only one that thought he might be hurt or killed?

 

[Gina B]

I have no idea what he thought, or what others did. It is simply logical to think that some people run from police because they're afraid the police will harm or kill them. So it seems silly to say a person unjustly killed "shouldn't have ran." If they were unjustly killed, they should have ran faster, because their instincts were correct.

 

[Zaac]

I have no idea what he thought, or what others did. It is simply logical to think that some people run from police because they're afraid the police will harm or kill them. So it seems silly to say a person unjustly killed "shouldn't have ran." If they were unjustly killed, they should have ran faster, because their instincts were correct.

Tell em again Gina.:applause::applause:

If your experiences and your communities experience with the police are every time they see you, you end up with a broken bone, then I'd run too.

 

[Don]

I have no idea what he thought, or what others did. It is simply logical to think that some people run from police because they're afraid the police will harm or kill them. So it seems silly to say a person unjustly killed "shouldn't have ran." If they were unjustly killed, they should have ran faster, because their instincts were correct.

It doesn't seem silly at all. If he hadn't ran, then he'd be alive.

 

[Zaac]

It doesn't seem silly at all. If he hadn't ran, then he'd be alive.

So he's dead because he ran?Nope.

He's dead because police officers broke the law.

 

[Don]

Going back to the opening post: Mosby's charges were incompetent.

 

[Zaac]

Going back to the opening post: Mosby's charges were incompetent.

At least she did her job and pressed charges where they should have been pressed. This way due process gets to take place where it hasn't even been allowed to start in other instances because prosecutors weren't trying to prosecute.

 

[Don]

At least she did her job and pressed charges where they should have been pressed. This way due process gets to take place where it hasn't even been allowed to start in other instances because prosecutors weren't trying to prosecute.

What good are charges that will be dismissed because they don't fit the legal definition? What happens when the police officers are set free because Mosby went with expediency instead of justice?

 

[Zaac]

What good are charges that will be dismissed because they don't fit the legal definition?

How do you or any of the other talking heads know that? Have you seen the information that the SA saw?

Maybe she saw something that said she had cause to put forth the charges she did? I don't know. But that's what the process is for. There's been entirely too many cases where that process hasn't even been allowed to start.

What happens when the police officers are set free because Mosby went with expediency instead of justice?

Burn baby burn? How would I know what happens? What happens when they are convicted because she has information the pundits didn't know she had?

 

[Don]

How do you or any of the other talking heads know that? Have you seen the information that the SA saw?

Maybe she saw something that said she had cause to put forth the charges she did? I don't know. But that's what the process is for. There's been entirely too many cases where that process hasn't even been allowed to start.



Burn baby burn? How would I know what happens? What happens when they are convicted because she has information the pundits didn't know she had?

Let me put it another way: are you prepared for the officers to walk free? Or will you complain about white privilege once again prevailing over black lives?

 

[Zaac]

Let me put it another way: are you prepared for the officers to walk free?

Why wouldn't I be prepared? It's common place in this country for guilty cops to walk free.

Or will you complain about white privilege once again prevailing over black lives?

I'll say the same things about white privilege and the police that I say today.:thumbsup:

 

[Don]

Why wouldn't I be prepared? It's common place in this country for guilty cops to walk free.

So the process doesn't work?

I'll say the same things about white privilege and the police that I say today.[emoji106]

As we expect if you.

 

[Zaac]

So the process doesn't work?

Sure the process works. But that doesn't mean it's not still flawed as again prosecutors can manipulate the system.