Police Find No Evidence Gray Fatally Injured During Arrest

[Jedi Knight]

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/baltimore-freddie-gray-injured-van/2015/04/30/id/641837/ A preliminary probe has found no evidence that 25-year-old Freddie Gray was fatally injured during his videotaped arrest in Baltimore, a local ABC affiliate reported on Thursday, citing sources briefed on the police report and on findings made by the medical examiner.

Song remains the same......it was just an excuse to loot the hood. Hands Up Don't Loot!!

 

[InTheLight]

Yes, we know he didn't die during his arrest. He died inside the police van.

Freddie Gray killed after head 'slammed into bolt in back of police van', say reports

An injury on Gray’s head is said to have matched a bolt in the back of the police van, according to ABC local news, who also reported that the only police officer involved in Gray’s arrest and detention yet to have provided an account to the police was the van’s driver.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fr...f-police-van-say-reports/ar-BBiXIAC?ocid=iehp

 

[Crabtownboy]

There is no surprise in the report saying he did not receive the injury during the arrest. This was speculated about, but it was only speculation. It, IMHO, has been obvious the injury occurred after he was thrown into the van. This is not an isolated incident in Baltimore. He is the first known, note known, case where a person died from a rough ride. There is no doubt that others received serious injuries during such a ride. After all Baltimore has paid out millions because of injuries people have received at the hands of the police.

The sources quoted by the Washington-based station said the medical examiner had determined Gray's death was caused by a catastrophic injury after he slammed into the back of the police transport van while inside it, "apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/30/us/baltimore-freddie-gray-death-investigation/

The article Jedi linked to says basically the same thing.

The sources quoted by the Washington-based station said the medical examiner had determined Gray's death was caused by a catastrophic injury after he slammed into the back of the police transport van while inside it, "apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van."

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/baltimore-freddie-gray-injured-van/2015/04/30/id/641837/

 

[Zaac]

There actually are known cases.

When a handcuffed Freddie Gray was placed in a Baltimore police van on April 12, he was talking and breathing. When the 25-year-old emerged, "he could not talk and he could not breathe," according to one police official, and he died a week later of a spinal injury.

But Gray is not the first person to come out of a Baltimore police wagon with serious injuries.

Relatives of Dondi Johnson Sr., who was left a paraplegic after a 2005 police van ride, won a $7.4 million verdict against police officers. A year earlier, Jeffrey Alston was awarded $39 million by a jury after he became paralyzed from the neck down as the result of a van ride. Others have also received payouts after filing lawsuits.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/ma...d-gray-rough-rides-20150423-story.html#page=1

Just craziness.

 

[righteousdude2]

Just craziness.

Yes it is! On both sides, I'm sure you will agree! :tear:

 

[carpro]

Yes, we know he didn't die during his arrest. He died inside the police van.



Freddie Gray killed after head 'slammed into bolt in back of police van', say reports



An injury on Gray’s head is said to have matched a bolt in the back of the police van, according to ABC local news, who also reported that the only police officer involved in Gray’s arrest and detention yet to have provided an account to the police was the van’s driver.



http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/fr...f-police-van-say-reports/ar-BBiXIAC?ocid=iehp

Apparently the idiot was standing up and took a head first dive into the back door.


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[Crabtownboy]

Apparently the idiot was standing up and took a head first dive into the back door.


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Right, he was thrown into the van; his hands were cuffed behind his back; he was shackles and managed to stand up. Not only that, but he was being given a rough ride. Give me a break Carpro, what you suggest is impossible.

Carpro, lay on the floor. Have someone tie you hands tightly and high behind your back. Forget the shackles and the rough ride. Just see how easily you can get to your feet with just your hands tied.

Then consider if you are being given a rough ride and see how 'easy' it is for you to get up.


The police killed this young man ... maybe not on purpose, but they are responsible and they certainly cannot claim "I thought I was in danger".

 

[Zaac]

Yes it is! On both sides, I'm sure you will agree! :tear:

As we're talking about Freddie Gray and the police, no I will not agree. Freddie Gray ,like so many others, wasn't doing anything.

So it was foolishness on the side of the police alone.

 

[Zaac]

Apparently the idiot was standing up and took a head first dive into the back door.


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If the police had followed procedure, he wouldn't have been standing. This was obviously done on purpose because they know what happens in the back of those transports when you're not in your seat with a seat belt on.

They DELIBERATELY set out to injure him if he wasn't already injured.

 

[matt wade]

As we're talking about Freddie Gray and the police, no I will not agree. Freddie Gray ,like so many others, wasn't doing anything.

So it was foolishness on the side of the police alone.

March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

Yeah...he's just an innocent guy that wasn't doing anything.

 

[InTheLight]

Yeah...he's just an innocent guy that wasn't doing anything.

Yes, well, obviously the police should take justice into their own hands and make sure this guy is punished on the ride to lockup. Like make sure he's dies.

 

[just-want-peace]

Yes, well, obviously the police should take justice into their own hands and make sure this guy is punished on the ride to lockup. Like make sure he's dies.

Yes, well, obviously we should just accept the media version of "facts" and go ahead and put these officers in front of a firing squad and save the state oodles of money! (This is sarcasm - for the mentally challenged )

Such inflammatory rhetoric certainly does add to a civil discussion of problems --- NOT!!! :tonofbricks:

 

[Use of Time]

Yes, well, obviously we should just accept the media version of "facts" and go ahead and put these officers in front of a firing squad and save the state oodles of money! (This is sarcasm - for the mentally challenged )

Such inflammatory rhetoric certainly does add to a civil discussion of problems --- NOT!!! :tonofbricks:

The media? The police commissioner himself stated that there were violations in protocol. The SOP was written for a reason. Following them isn't a choice. A man is now dead because of this. That is a problem right? I mean we are all so big on rules being followed and what not but apparently we just give the police a pass when they choose to dangerously ignore them? Well that sounds just a tad bit hypocritical.

Freddy Gray liked to smoke weed apparently. What a monster.

 

[matt wade]

The media? The police commissioner himself stated that there were violations in protocol. The SOP was written for a reason. Following them isn't a choice. A man is now dead because of this. That is a problem right? I mean we are all so big on rules being followed and what not but apparently we just give the police a pass when they choose to dangerously ignore them? Well that sounds just a tad bit hypocritical.

If the officers didn't follow procedure they should be reprimanded, fired, etc as appropriate. If their failure to follow procedures results in someone's death then they should face charges.

It doesn't justify riots.

Freddy Gray liked to smoke weed apparently. What a monster.

You seemed to have glossed over some words. Let me help you:

second-degree assault
Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
with intent to distribute
intent to distribute
trespassing
second-degree assault, second-degree escape
intent to distribute
violation of probation
intent to distribute
intent to manufacture and distribute
intent to distribute, violation of probation
intent to distribute

 

[ShagNappy]

If the officers didn't follow procedure they should be reprimanded, fired, etc as appropriate. If their failure to follow procedures results in someone's death then they should face charges.

It doesn't justify riots.



You seemed to have glossed over some words. Let me help you:

second-degree assault
Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
with intent to distribute
intent to distribute
trespassing
second-degree assault, second-degree escape
intent to distribute
violation of probation
intent to distribute
intent to manufacture and distribute
intent to distribute, violation of probation
intent to distribute

He was arrested for carrying a switchblade. Turns out he had a legal knife. No basis for his arrest. Prior bad acts don't count except in a court of law, IF a judge allows it. It does not give Police carte blanche to do as they wish to another human being.

 

[Revmitchell]

Give me a break Carpro, what you suggest is impossible.

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You don't know what you are talking about.

 

[carpro]

Right, he was thrown into the van; his hands were cuffed behind his back; he was shackles and managed to stand up. Not only that, but he was being given a rough ride. Give me a break Carpro, what you suggest is impossible.

First , he wasn't thrown anywhere. Second, his hands were restrained behind his back per policy because he's a criminal and under arrest. Third, if he stood up, it's his lookout. No "rough ride" is necessary when one is standing up. The moron should have stayed seated.

 

[Zaac]

Yeah...he's just an innocent guy that wasn't doing anything.

Nothing in your list is dated April 12, 2015.

Interesting how some of you seem to go out of your way to pull a play from the FOX News playbook of besmirching the dead person, while always looking for an excuse for the cops.

Let the guilty cops take responsibility for their actions just like you want others to.

Lock em up and throw away the key.

 

[matt wade]

Nothing in your list is dated April 12, 2015.

Interesting how some of you seem to go out of your way to pull a play from the FOX News playbook of besmirching the dead person, while always looking for an excuse for the cops.

Let the guilty cops take responsibility for their actions just like you want others to.

Lock em up and throw away the key.

You seem to only read parts of posts that suit your message. You missed where I said the following, so let me help you see it.

"If the officers didn't follow procedure they should be reprimanded, fired, etc as appropriate. If their failure to follow procedures results in someone's death then they should face charges. "

 

[Zaac]

First , he wasn't thrown anywhere. Second, his hands were restrained behind his back per policy because he's a criminal and under arrest. Third, if he stood up, it's his lookout. No "rough ride" is necessary when one is standing up. The moron should have stayed seated.

Funny how following policy didn't apply to placing him in a seat belt by any of the officers any of the times they put him in the transport or checked on him.

The moron would have been seated if they had followed policy.

The moron wouldn't have been arrested if they followed policy.