You will need to forgive me for commenting that, given your posting history, this sounds hollow.
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Police Gone Wild
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You will need to forgive me for commenting that, given your posting history, this sounds hollow.
Zaac
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Why? Because you and others think it's impossible to be passionate about the killing of black lives by police officers why still acknowledging the work of the good cops?
I never said that I needed you or anyone else to believe it. That kinda goes with the territory.
But bringing up your uncle is as much an attempt to deflect from what the bad cops ARE doing as would be telling the Childhood Leukemia Organization that they should focus on the adults too because your second cousin , twice removed on your mother's side died of leukemia.
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Nothing else needs to be said! I am tired of cops being the target of all this ridiculous racist rant. We know why it is being said, and it is hurting the ability of good cops from doing their job. In fact it puts them in "harm's way!"
Zaac
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Nothing else needs to be said! I am tired of cops being the target of all this ridiculous racist rant. We know why it is being said, and it is hurting the ability of good cops from doing their job. In fact it puts them in "harm's way!"
If the "good cops" were doing their jobs, there wouldn't be so many bad cops.
Ho hum! :sleeping_2:
poncho
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Zaac, these guys have already been reduced to sloganeering and appealing to people's emotions.
They've already run through all the talking points they know. The only thing they can do at this point is start in with their insults and personal attacks.
When they start doing this it means they have already lost the debate and the only direction this thread can go from here is trading insult for insult and personal attack for personal attack.
Let em show their true selves and keep posting without responding to their attempts to draw us into their game. Let em sling all the insults and personal attacks they want, it only proves our points more valid.
Miami Cop Fired After Punching Handcuffed Suspect
http://www.wiod.com/articles/wiodam-local-news-122821/miami-cop-fired-after-punching-handcuffed-13854616
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UH...that is exactly what you and Zaac have been doing. In fact you are taking part in the BLM movement and their attempt to raising emotions based on misrepresentations and, over exaggerations of cops. The full intent is to create chaos and then revolution to fulfill the socialist movements goals. You are either intentionally part of it or a tool being manipulated by them.
poncho
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That's your opinion and you're entitled to it.
What I find interesting in your post is that you see no irony in accusing me of misrepresentations while you are in the midst of misrepresenting my position and exaggerating the imagined disrespect I have for cops to make your own position if it can be called a position look more credible.
Now, you can keep accusing me of doing the same thing you do. That's fine. I've come to expect no less from you.
You can do all the sloganeering and appealing to emotion that you want. That's fine to if that's all you have and it appears that it is.
I welcome it as it only shows how weak your argument actually is. :smilewinkgrin:
My "intent" is to call attention to a growing problem. If you'd rather ignore it and let it get out of hand that's your prerogative.
If you want to ignore it fine. Ignore it. But don't expect me to ignore it just because you have chosen to.
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Oh it is not imagined. It is seen in every single post you make to paint all cops as bad or at least by and large. And no, I do not try to make all cops look bad or misrepresent them.
But your consistent appeal to emotionalism by posting exaggerated and misleading stories about cops by people who have no real info is noted. So if you are actually concerned about this so called emotionalism then check yourself and get back to me.
And of course Zaac's thread title "Police Gone Wild" is not even remotely close to appealing to emotion.
But then he holds to your same emotional position so why point that out.
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That took guts. I'm glad you posted it.
poncho
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Yes it is imagined on your part. You only see what you want to see.
Half my family are cops. My uncle retired from the state troopers. He's gone now but him and I used to have long discussions about the creeping corruption and growing lack of respect for citizen's rights he witnessed in the new troopers coming in.
My next door neighbor is a cop. A good cop. He does his job without beating people up or shooting them. You see his badge hasn't gone to his head and he's old enough to remember that citizens do have rights.
Have you watched any of the police recruiting videos online? They look more like Army recruiting videos. Cops dressed up in full battle gear crashing through doors and bustin heads. WOO HOO!
The message is . . .
Join the police and play G.I. Joe and crash through doors and bust some heads. The badge will make other's respect you and the black fatigues and German submachine guns will make people intimidated and fearful of you.
And that is honor, integrity and respect!
That's not the role of the police to be feared and and intimidate citizens into compliance. But it seems that a good portion of the police believe it is.
You can see in the way they resort to violence and compliance tactics whenever they think their "authority" is being questioned.
I don't who said it but it's appears to be true "where the government fears the people their is liberty where the people fear the government there is tyranny".
You say this but you haven't proven it. You've said lots of things you have no evidence to back up but excuse me for reminding you.
Oh you've made the claim that citizens should obey orders barked at them without thinking or hesitation then turn around and excuse the police who act without thinking or hestation. You've tried to convince me that questioning the authority to which police base their actions on is somehow evil or that those who do deserve to get their heads beaten in or shot.
I believe if it were up to you American citizens would be forced to bow down and let ourselves be ruled by people with badges just because they have badges even when the police are acting on the color of law instead of the law itself.
I believe if it were up to you citizens wouldn't be allowed to photograph or make videos of police abusing their authority and acting under the color of law.
I believe if you were reading the history of the American revolution you would be sympathetic to the British and King George. You always side with authority even when it's misplaced. Even when those in authority are acting outside of their legal authority.
Like it or not citizens do have rights. And some of them are going to stand up for their rights. Even it makes the people violating those rights and the people defending them angry and violent.
If it weren't for people willing to stand up for their rights you wouldn't be able to enjoy the freedom you have to put them down and question their loyalty to the state you seem to worship.
And of course Zaac's thread title "Police Gone Wild" is not even remotely close to appealing to emotion.
As you said "Zaac's title".
Not Poncho's title. Poncho started another thread in the politics forum to discuss this growing problem you'd rather ignore.
Face it you lost when you started making this personal. You aren't even trying to make a valid argument.
All you are doing now is venting your anger on me because you haven't been able to refute the evidence in a rational way.
I never claimed all cops are bad as you claim I am claiming.
And no one has even attempted to answer Zaac's question.
If there's so many good cops out there why aren't they aren't keeping the bad cops in check?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBiJB8YuDBQ
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=101450
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I agree that there is a growing social problem within the ranks of our police forces.
This is a state's rights issue but some federal regulation needs to be introduced into the BASIC TRAINING of the individual state law enforcement requirements.
Potential abusers need to be weeded out, the issue needs to be nipped in the bud not after the fruit has come forth.
Secondly there needs to be a counterpart to "internal affairs" - an "external" affair board distinct from the several state law enforcement agencies to investigate police abuse and brutality. No doubt some states have such an entity.
Third, there needs to be a sifting of currently employed police officers for crimes against humanity. This needs to be addressed from the top down.
No presidential candidate that I know of has addressed the issue but it should be - the longer we wait the more difficult the strategy/tasks.
As I said before we do not have near the abuse issue of other nations. I personally have never had a problem with the police except for traffic infractions which were my own fault. But then again, I have never been arrested.
To be forthright, some of the maternal side of my family were/are in the Boston area police force. The issue (when I was there in my youth) was internal corruption but not wide scale abuse of the citizenry.
And as in a previous post I believe we need reform(s) in the field of medical practitioners who take 100,000 - 200,000 lives per year as well. Far more than Law Enforcement.
HankD
This is a state's rights issue but some federal regulation needs to be introduced into the BASIC TRAINING of the individual state law enforcement requirements.
Potential abusers need to be weeded out, the issue needs to be nipped in the bud not after the fruit has come forth.
Secondly there needs to be a counterpart to "internal affairs" - an "external" affair board distinct from the several state law enforcement agencies to investigate police abuse and brutality. No doubt some states have such an entity.
Third, there needs to be a sifting of currently employed police officers for crimes against humanity. This needs to be addressed from the top down.
No presidential candidate that I know of has addressed the issue but it should be - the longer we wait the more difficult the strategy/tasks.
As I said before we do not have near the abuse issue of other nations. I personally have never had a problem with the police except for traffic infractions which were my own fault. But then again, I have never been arrested.
To be forthright, some of the maternal side of my family were/are in the Boston area police force. The issue (when I was there in my youth) was internal corruption but not wide scale abuse of the citizenry.
And as in a previous post I believe we need reform(s) in the field of medical practitioners who take 100,000 - 200,000 lives per year as well. Far more than Law Enforcement.
HankD
A large number? How many, Zaac?
Zaac
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Tell me how many good cops there are and then I'll give you the number.
Can't speak for other locales, but I'll nominate the officers of the Pacifica California Police Department.
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