Political debate

I find it fascinationg that, because I don't agree with you, I don't "believe" in the Bible.

Something idolatrous in that.

 

Oh, no fair using the Bible against those who claim to know its every nuance, now...


:smilewinkgrin:

 

Just a matter of reading comprehension in many cases. If the Bible doesn't match your worldview, you just ignore it or spin it.

 

Define "cruel and unusual".

It's all in perception.

Do a little search and find out what was not considered "cruel and unusual" punishment at the time the Constitution was written.

 

Wrong. Not surprising, but wrong.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by KenH
a: Romans 13:4 (ESV)
for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

Acts 25:11 (ESV)
If then I am a wrongdoer and have committed anything for which I deserve to die, I do not seek to escape death. But if there is nothing to their charges against me, no one can give me up to them. I appeal to Caesar."

b: No. Neither was the Roman Empire.

At least you're only partially ignoring it.

So why don't you go ahead and spin it for us. IOW Give us your take on it. Tell us why you have to lean so hard.

 

I don't spin. You want me to explain my view, I will. But get the smarmy out of your mouth first.

 

I'd appreciate you take on it, but liberal Christians have to spin scripture or they couldn't support some of the issues they do.

I haven't noticed you being so different.

 

Your loss.

 

One of the reasons that conservatives are losing the political battle with liberals is that they are one-track thinkers and they think the only thing liberals do is support abortion and homosexual rights. Those issues are pretty low on the radar screen for most liberals.

If you read that Bible that you trot out and speak for so frequently, you would know that repentance, forgiveness and salvation are based on an individual covenant with God through the blood of Christ. Christians are not held accountable for the sins of "America." We are held accountable for our own sins.

We can sit around and click our tongues at politicians for not solving the spiritual problems of the nation, but that accomplishes nothing. Do you want abortion to stop? Good! So do I. What are you doing about it? I'm involved in ministries that help teenagers make Christian faith their own faith, instead of one they borrowed from Mom and Dad, and I'm actively involved in teaching them the value of abstinence. The more of them I convince to make those values their own convictions, the more of them there will be who make wise decisions regarding their sexuality, the fewer abortions there will be.

I'd rather support a liberal politician who wants to spend a little money on social programs that cut down on the number of women who choose abortion than a conservative who gives lip service to ending abortion but does absolutely nothing about it.

And talk about "spinning scripture"! Some of what I've seen around here beats anything I've ever seen from liberals.

 

You've identified the problem.

 

It is immensely instructive that you completely ignored the lion's share of his post.

Jack Matthews was as on-target as I've seen here. You completely dismiss everything he has to say.

As I say, very instructive.

 

I'm not interested in the opinion he used as a smokescreen to disguise or justify the real problem.

 

It is defined partly by common sense, and the courts. And sorry, go reread your history books, we did not cut off hands in the United States as state sponsered punishment.

 

Oh, I know. Perish the thought of you having to think about alternative answers to those you've been taught.

 

Diatribes are generally of no interest to me.

 

Diatribe? In what way was anyhting he posted a diatribe.

OH!

"Diatribe" = "things I might have to consider if I acknowledge their validity."

Yeah, and they say Liberals spin things...