Political Disagreements and Enemies

[DaveXR650]

Methinks that it is the same with our nation/states. We get the kind of President and congress we deserve. Sadly.

Very true. You have very little serious discussion any more and the sad thing is that a serious candidate can't win. A while back I saw where some politician had said that "we all know what needs to be done, we just don't know how to do it and get elected".

 

[MrW]

The question was is any "fellow American citizen" my enemy because they disagree with me.

I voted no, but wish there was an "absolutely not".

I have friends who are voting for Kamala. Not many About less than a dozen. I also have friends who believe Trump is perfect, does no wrong, is a great Christian, and is God's man for 'Merica" because his right ear was bleeding like Aaron in the Bible.

I can't agree with any of those people. We disagree wholeheartedly. But they are not my enemies.

Trump is a flawed individual (like me). I would even say he a highly flawed individual because, unlike me, he seems to not be very aware of his faults.

Now when I compare him to any democrat I know of—well then he looks almost fantastic in comparison.

I lived four years with Trump’s presidency. Per Biden’s own statement of his having turned the reins over to Harris almost four years ago, I have lived four years with the virtual presidency of Harris.

It was great with President Trump.

I have not fared well with Harris.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The U.S. Constitution was sold to the people that the president would not have much power, but would only be there to execute what the Congress(which is where the federal power was supposed to be largely located by being able to pass legislation) has legislated.

Now, the anti-Federalists warned against leaving the Articles of Confederation of 1781 and adopting the Constitution. Patrick Henry warned in a speech that the president would become a king. The anti-Federalists have been proven correct, Patrick Henry has been proven correct.

That whomever is president has become such an over-sized part of the federal government and in people's thinking, shows that those who voted to adopt the Constitution were just flat-out wrong.

So what are you saying…that a strong leader is not constitutional?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Very true. You have very little serious discussion any more and the sad thing is that a serious candidate can't win. A while back I saw where some politician had said that "we all know what needs to be done, we just don't know how to do it and get elected".

Thus we give Socialism an environment to survive and grow.

 

[Dr. Bob]

So what are you saying…that a strong leader is not constitutional?

After the SECOND Revolution and changing the fledgling Republic from the Confederation of states - the government Patriots wanted and fought and won the FIRST revolution 1775-1783 by blood into a new entity by a new, radical Constitution - there was a bloodless, destructive overthrow in 1789. This changed a weak President that was changed annually into the modern strong President with vast power and a strong Central Federal government.

He's saying the way we started (under Articles of Confederation) and what was changed by the Federalist big-government who lied about a "convention" to revise the Articles and presented an entirely different document is the problem.

How many of us swallowed hook, line, and sinker the education PRAISING the Feds and not even understanding how our freedoms the Patriots fought for was compromised in 1789?

Winners write the history and the curricula for generations to come.

 

[KenH]

So what are you saying…that a strong leader is not constitutional?

Correct. Look at the executive in the Articles of Confederation 1781. Look at how little powers that the Constitution gave to the executive.

I would hope that the framers of the Constitution, if alive today, would have deep, deep regret for not simply making a few amendments to the Articles of Confederation of 1781.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Trump is a flawed individual (like me). I would even say he a highly flawed individual because, unlike me, he seems to not be very aware of his faults.

Now when I compare him to any democrat I know of—well then he looks almost fantastic in comparison.

I lived four years with Trump’s presidency. Per Biden’s own statement of his having turned the reins over to Harris almost four years ago, I have lived four years with the virtual presidency of Harris.

It was great with President Trump.

I have not fared well with Harris.

So what happens when the Trump Tax Cuts are terminated in 2025 and Harris is elected as president….think they will be renewed?

 

[KenH]

think they will be renewed?

First, it has to be seen whether the Congress will renew them.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Correct. Look at the executive in the Articles of Confederation 1781. Look at how little powers that the Constitution gave to the executive.

I would hope that the framers of the Constitution, if alive today, would have deep, deep regret for not simply making a few amendments to the Articles of Confederation of 1781.

The word “dictator” had quite a different definition in Ancient Rome than what it has today. The democrats are attempting to paint DT as a modern day dictator with the connotation that we are referring to an evil psychopath, ie Hitler. Again, the irony is that the average citizens of the USA is that many are sorely missing historical knowledge vital to understanding today’s civilization. The founders perceptions for how to create a nation is fascinating because they did not emulate the Greek & Roman civilizations (democracy, republic). Rather they choose to create a different and unique to formulate American society.

More importantly, we as a society are still evolving. I personally am focused on improving my family, my town, my community, my church…constant improvements. These are roles I can affect…sometimes disrupt.

 

[KenH]

Rather they choose to create a different and unique to formulate American society.

Plus they had to accommodate the slave states in the South with larger black populations.

Patrick Henry correctly pointed out that the Constitution should have not have started with "We the People", but with "We the States", as it was the States that created the federal government.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Plus they had to accommodate the slave states in the South with larger black populations.

Patrick Henry correctly pointed out that the Constitution should have not have started with "We the People", but with "We the States", as it was the States that created the federal government.

RIGHT, now as to leadership of the President, character needs to be paramount. If you did a deep dive into the character of Julius Caesar…he displayed a personality congruent with a Roman dictator much like Cinsinatus but he made many provisions for the Plebs, insuring that they were fed and housed. He also had the fear of the Senate. And the military loved him.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

RIGHT, now as to leadership of the President, character needs to be paramount. If you did a deep dive into the character of Julius Caesar…he displayed a personality congruent with a Roman dictator much like Cinsinatus but he made many provisions for the Plebs, insuring that they were fed and housed. He also had the fear of the Senate. And the military loved him.

I like this:
The line "Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world," is from Act 1, Scene 2 of Shakespeare's Julius Caesar. This line is spoken by Cassius to Brutus, as the two are discussing Julius Caesar, whom they later plot to assassinate. Cassius states: "Why, man, he doth bestride the narrow world / Like a Colossus, and we petty men / Walk under his huge legs and peep about / To find ourselves dishonorable graves." Here, Cassius compares Caesar to a giant whose legs are so big that they reach both ends of the Earth, while the rest of them seem small and inconsequential, shuffling off to their deaths in "dishonorable" graves.

So do we have people of this stature today ( surly none of the politicians running for office today measure up)

 

[MrW]

So what happens when the Trump Tax Cuts are terminated in 2025 and Harris is elected as president….think they will be renewed?

No sir, not if she is elected.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No sir, not if she is elected.

I agree! And Socialism will rein supreme.

 

[KenH]

nd Socialism will rein supreme.

Personally, I like receiving Social Security and Medicare. Of course, socialism is not about social programs but about government owning the means of production.

 

[JonC]

Personally, I like receiving Social Security and Medicare. Of course, socialism is not about social programs but about government owning the means of production.

I pay into social security. It's an investment with a great return.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Personally, I like receiving Social Security and Medicare. Of course, socialism is not about social programs but about government owning the means of production.

Personally, I have no allegiance to any politician and/or political party… my only allegiance lies with my God & family, lastly my dog. This madman Marx however has been sowing discord in society for a long time. Marx himself came from the privileged class and he created a social system to placate many people tired of hard work and war… so why not consider a kinder & gentler life offered by socialism …. Only remember, it would have to be the state administration policing it and Marx would be right up there pulling all the gears & pushing all the buttons while the vast majority do as they are told without individual freedoms… and is completely the opposite process that most Americans want and have died for in past wars. Really the subtle tyranny suggested by Marxist governments should be quite foreign to us as US CITIZENS but politicians view it as a means of control. Imagine the tyrants (politicians) running the economy, having ultimate taxing privileges, constant wars, buying beach houses for cash while the rest of us sweat it out in the pits suddenly realizing we have been suckered into being lied to… duh, we chose this.

 

[KenH]

Personally, I have no allegiance to any politician and/or political party… my only allegiance lies with my God & family, lastly my dog. This madman Marx however has been sowing discord in society for a long time. Marx himself came from the privileged class and he created a social system to placate many people tired of hard work and war… so why not consider a kinder & gentler life offered by socialism …. Only remember, it would have to be the state administration policing it and Marx would be right up there pulling all the gears & pushing all the buttons while the vast majority do as they are told without individual freedoms… and is completely the opposite process that most Americans want and have died for in past wars. Really the subtle tyranny suggested by Marxist governments should be quite foreign to us as US CITIZENS but politicians view it as a means of control. Imagine the tyrants (politicians) running the economy, having ultimate taxing privileges, constant wars, buying beach houses for cash while the rest of us sweat it out in the pits suddenly realizing we have been suckered into being lied to… duh, we chose this.

All economic systems are flawed. They are created by flawed humans.

We humans are all basically ungovernable, personally and as societies, and certainly not capable of self-government, though we might try.

 

[Christforums]

So what are you saying…that a strong leader is not constitutional?

It's Un-American.
Prior military experience to fulfill the office of Commander and Chief is not necessary. Band camp and boarding school candidates need apply.

 

[Christforums]

I still do not have sufficient privilege to post in meaningful discussions. Excuse my potshots, I am stranded in news and current events. Somebody let me out of here to discuss theology!