Politico Admits Fabricating A Hit Piece On Ben Carson

[Zaac]

Many moons ago when I was applying for college I received four offers of scholarships they were "full scholarship" contingent upon my acceptance to the university. In reading the fine print they were (almost all) full tuition scholarships but I had to cover room and board. I would have no problem saying my offers were for full scholarship.

Likewise, I have a good friend who graduated from West Point decades ago and he fully believes Carson's story. Westmoreland was known for these conversations. At the point of time they Carson is describing, if a cadet was presented by Westmoreland it was a guaranteed admission.

Which well may be the case. But Carson has already said there wasn't an actual scholarship offer and that it was just his interpretation of what was said.

 

[Zaac]

Yeah, who expects the liar (Politico hack) to admit his lies to prove he's a liar. Scholarships to West Point are actually appointments, and they pay the students to attend the school in lieu of tuition:

now slither back to Hillary

You say this like people don't know this. It doesn't change the fact that Carson wasn't offered a scholarship.

 

[Zaac]

Of course he could! ALL West Point appoints come with full, 100% scholarships! All of them. Every last one of them.

Again, no one is debating THAT. Cheney knew that as does anyone else who knows anything about the Service Academies. And knowing THAT and the process, it's quite easy to hear Carson's story and know that he was fabricating part of the story or simply didn't know what he was talking about.

But then again he thinks the pyramids were graineries.

 

[777]

But he was verbally offered a scholarship by Westmoreland and the general's word would certainly be enough for a West Point appointment.

Now, Carson could be lying about Westmoreland, but who should I believe, the leftist MSM or Carson? Carson got admitted to Yale. You're stuck with the narrative the MSM fed you willingly.

The hacks at Leftico even lied about what the Carson camp said here, that they had "admitted" that Carson lied. They went "gotcha" and it blew up in their faces and they had to backtrack. Carson won't be your opponent any ways, but the way liberals attack a black conservative is just shameful. Believe that.

 

[TCassidy]

it's quite easy to hear Carson's story and know that he was fabricating part of the story

What part did he fabricate? Westmoreland told him he could get him an appointment to West Point. Such appointments carry a 100% scholarship. Carson declined. What part of that is fabricated? Be specific.

 

[Zaac]

What part did he fabricate? Westmoreland told him he could get him an appointment to West Point. Such appointments carry a 100% scholarship. Carson declined. What part of that is fabricated? Be specific.

He didn't decline a scholarship. He wasn't OFFERED a scholarship. School counselors tell kids what Westmoreland told Carson all the time. With your grades and activities, you can get this scholarship or that scholarship. Or you qualify for whatever. Those aren't scholarship offers.

According to Carson's camp

They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.

That's NOT a scholarship offer. That's what visiting admissions reps tell any student they think meet the requirements for admissions and scholarships to their school.

I think I had 50 or 60 different schools to say that very thing. But actual scholarship AWARDING/OFFERING came after being accepted.

“I felt so proud, my chest bursting with ribbons and braids of every kind. To make itmore wonderful, we had important visitors that day. Two soldiers who had won theCongressional Medal of Honor in Viet Nam were present,” he wrote. “More excitingto me, General William Westmoreland (very prominent in the Viet Nam war)attended with an impressive entourage. Afterward, Sgt. Hunt” — his high schoolROTC director — “introduced me to General Westmoreland, and I had dinner with him and the Congressional Medal winners. Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point.”

So either they told him they could HELP him get an appointment based on his grades and ROTC performance as his campaign manager said after the fact or they offered him a full scholarship as he says in his book.

 

[TCassidy]

He didn't decline a scholarship.

"Sorry, no. My life is taking a different direction." That sounds to me like he declined. He certainly didn't accept so he must have declined!

 

[TCassidy]

That's NOT a scholarship offer.

"I can get you appointed to West Point." (Which includes a 100% tuition, room and board, and even a salary, scholarship.) Sounds like an offer to me.

 

[Zaac]

"Sorry, no. My life is taking a different direction." That sounds to me like he declined. He certainly didn't accept so he must have declined!

If that was said to Westmoreland, he wasn't declining anything but the HELP to get a "scholarship"Biggrin as no scholarship offer could have been made.

 

[TCassidy]

But actual scholarship AWARDING/OFFERING came after being accepted.

Now you are being disingenuous. You add the word "awarding." Nobody claimed he was awarded the scholarship. It was an offer. He declined.

 

[Zaac]

"I can get you appointed to West Point." (Which includes a 100% tuition, room and board, and even a salary, scholarship.) Sounds like an offer to me.

That's not what his book says. His book says

“Later I was offered a full scholarship to West Point,” Carson said.

His campaign manager said

They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission.

Not I CAN GET. But we can HELP you get. That's what the campaign manager said to try and clarify.

 

[Zaac]

Now you are being disingenuous. You add the word "awarding." Nobody claimed he was awarded the scholarship. It was an offer. He declined.

Then throw out the awarding. I was explaining the process to show that he couldn't turn down the scholarship because a scholarship hadn't been awarded or offered to him. According to the campaign manager, he was told they could help him GET an appointment. There was nothing to turn down except the help in getting an appointment.

He lied in the book and said he turned down a full scholarship when he only turned down the HELP to get a full scholarship. West Point would have had to OFFER him a full scholarship for him to turn it down. He would have had to go through the admission's process to do so. He DIDN'T.

He turned down the HELP. He didn't turn down a full scholarship any more than I turned down full scholarships to the 50 or 60 schools who said I qualified for full scholarships.

 

[TCassidy]

So either they told him they could HELP him get an appointment based on his grades and ROTC performance as his campaign manager said after the fact or they offered him a full scholarship as he says in his book.

When General Bill Westmoreland says he can get you an appointment he can get you an appointment. General Westmoreland was Army Chief of Staff (the highest ranking General in the Army) from 1968 to 1972. The conversation too place the summer before Carson entered Yale in 1969.

At the time Westmoreland told Carson he could get him an appointment to West Point Westmoreland was the highest ranking General in the US Army, and was the Commandant of West Point's boss. When the Chief of Staff says he can get you an appointment to West Point you can take it to the bank. It was a legitimate offer. Westmoreland did not blow smoke.

 

[Zaac]

But he was verbally offered a scholarship by Westmoreland and the general's word would certainly be enough for a West Point appointment.

No, he was not verbally offered a full scholarship by Westmoreland according to the campaign manager.

Now, Carson could be lying about Westmoreland, but who should I believe, the leftist MSM or Carson? Carson got admitted to Yale. You're stuck with the narrative the MSM fed you willingly.

In this instance believe the one who has credibility. Carson and his camp have backtracked because they know the book and the narrative in the book are inaccurate.

 

[TCassidy]

That's not what his book says. His book says

Same thing. You are making a silly semantical argument. Why do you have such a dislike of Carson that you keep passing on the lie Politica told?

 

[TCassidy]

No, he was not verbally offered a full scholarship by Westmoreland according to the campaign manager.

"I can get you into West Point." West Point appointments include a FULL SCHOLARSHIP! DUH!

 

[TCassidy]

West Point would have had to OFFER him a full scholarship for him to turn it down.

No, they wouldn't. It is AUTOMATIC with an appointment, which Bill Westmoreland told him was in the bag!

 

[Zaac]

When General Bill Westmoreland says he can get you an appointment he can get you an appointment. General Westmoreland was Army Chief of Staff (the highest ranking General in the Army) from 1968 to 1972. The conversation too place the summer before Carson entered Yale in 1969.

The book says that he turned down a full scholarship. It doesn't say anything about " I can GET you an appointment" or " I can HELP you get an appointment" as his campaign manager has said.

At the time Westmoreland told Carson he could get him an appointment to West Point Westmoreland was the highest ranking General in the US Army, and was the Commandant of West Point's boss. When the Chief of Staff says he can get you an appointment to West Point you can take it to the bank. It was a legitimate offer. Westmoreland did not blow smoke.

Where in the book does it say that Westmoreland said he could GET him an appointment? I don't think anybody in Carson's camp has said that he was told by Westmoreland that he could GET him an appointment. They are saying that Westmoreland told him that he could HELP him get an appointment.

 

[Zaac]

"I can get you into West Point." West Point appointments include a FULL SCHOLARSHIP! DUH!

Where did Westmoreland say "I can get you into West Point"? That's not even something Carson's camp has said that Westmoreland said.

 

[Zaac]

No, they wouldn't. It is AUTOMATIC with an appointment, which Bill Westmoreland told him was in the bag!

Where did Bill Westmoreland tell him this? And you have to go through the admissions process to get an appointment. Though his chances would have been really good with Westmoreland's letter of recommendation, it's not automatic.