Politics in Bible translation

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

2nd Century Church Fathers, uninspired but certainly way intelligent that Gehard and his 40 year old incoherence

130AD BARNABAS: Moreover God says to the Jews, 'Your new moons and Sabbaths 1 cannot endure.' You see how he says, 'The present Sabbaths are not acceptable to me, but the Sabbath which I have made in which, when I have rested [heaven: Heb 4] from all things, I will make the beginning of the eighth day which is the beginning of another world.' Wherefore we Christians keep the eighth day for joy, on which also Jesus arose from the dead and when he appeared ascended into heaven. (15:8f, The Epistle of Barnabas, 100 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , vol. 1, pg. 147)

150AD JUSTIN:But Sunday is the day on which we hold our common assembly, because it is the first day of the week and Jesus our saviour on the same day rose from the dead. (First apology of Justin, Ch 68)

150AD JUSTIN: And on the day called Sunday there is a gathering together in the same place of all who live in a city or a rural district. ... We all make our assembly in common on the day of the Sun, since it is the first day, on which God changed the darkness and matter and made the world, and Jesus Christ our Savior arose from the dead on the same day. For they crucified him on the day before Saturn's day, and on the day after (which is the day of the Sun the appeared to his apostles and taught his disciples these things. (Apology, 1, 67:1-3, 7; First Apology, 145 AD, Ante-Nicene Fathers , Vol. 1, pg. 186)

Gehard, you need to find something better to do with the rest of your life down there in RSA. Theology is clearly not your forte. But can you really train an old, very old dog new tricks?

You are correct with Justin, the first theologian politician.
One my wife told me yesterday: Man, Yesterday I saw a politician with his hands in his own pockets, it was so cold.

If it was a theologian politician, he would have seen the man ripping out another's heart to divine Sunday.

About Barnabas you haven't got a clue what he is saying.

 

[vooks]

Hey Vook, may I remind you of those Reformers!

You haven't mentioned them yet.

Your only contribution to theology is confusion

 

[vooks]

Who are your <<Church fathers>>, Vooks? Third and fourth century Latin speaking and writing attorneys and members of the Roman Catholic church?

Are you a Roman Catholic?

Buddy, can you please quote ANY Saturday Resurrection garbage from outside scriptures for the first 500 years of Christianity.

40 years of wilderness. Is this an African hobby?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

The day of resurrection is really not important any more than who between Peter and John got to the empty tomb first in John 20. But it is recorded that John got there first. It is revealed by the Holy Spirit that he outran Peter.

Denying such OBVIOUS truths suggest we are not dealing with Christians but scoffers

An <<OBVIOUS truth>> in this is a not fully rehabilitated SDA scoffing at his addiction and recovery at once.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Buddy, can you please quote ANY Saturday Resurrection garbage from outside scriptures for the first 500 years of Christianity.

40 years of wilderness. Is this an African hobby?

I take exception as a Christian : <<<ANY Saturday Resurrection garbage>>>.

Nevertheless there are "ALL THE SCRIPTURES" many centuries from before the first 500 years of Christianity as well as the New Testament Scriptures from the first century of the first 500 years of Christianity.

Which ought to more than satisfy any true worshipper of the Lord of the Sabbath Day WHO WROUGHT and ACQUIRED LORDSHIP OF "LORD of the Sabbath Day" BY RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD “ON THE SABBATH”.

Yes, so mighty was THIS DIVINE TRUTH of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH RESURRECTION OF THE CHRIST OF GOD in and of ITSELF, that during the first one hundred years of Christianity the mightiest empire the world has ever seen as well as the ENTIRE WORLD, were conquered by it and were converted to its implementation for all order and arrangement in practical life that all its days and nights and WEEKS became ordered to its recurrence every “SABBATH-WEEK”.


It was not the “Sabbath-Week” of the Jews which became the title-day of the almanac and calendar of the whole world, but the Christian “Sabbath-Week” because it had the persuasive power of the knowledge of Christ’s Resurrection ON IT, which carried it across the world in such short time and has maintained it ever since.

In fact the Roman eight-day calendar gave in to the Christian “Sabbath-week” and even the Jewish “sevenths (shabua)-week” (in OT Greek the ‘hebdomos-week’) ceased vis a vis the POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION EVEN UPON THE DAY IN WHICH GOD FINISHED AND RESTED IN CHRIST IN RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.

 

[vooks]

I take exception as a Christian : <<<ANY Saturday Resurrection garbage>>>.

Nevertheless there are "ALL THE SCRIPTURES" many centuries from before the first 500 years of Christianity as well as the New Testament Scriptures from the first century of the first 500 years of Christianity.

Which ought to more than satisfy any true worshipper of the Lord of the Sabbath Day WHO WROUGHT and ACQUIRED LORDSHIP OF "LORD of the Sabbath Day" BY RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD “ON THE SABBATH”.

Yes, so mighty was THIS DIVINE TRUTH of the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH RESURRECTION OF THE CHRIST OF GOD in and of ITSELF, that during the first one hundred years of Christianity the mightiest empire the world has ever seen as well as the ENTIRE WORLD, were conquered by it and were converted to its implementation for all order and arrangement in practical life that all its days and nights and WEEKS became ordered to its recurrence every “SABBATH-WEEK”.


It was not the “Sabbath-Week” of the Jews which became the title-day of the almanac and calendar of the whole world, but the Christian “Sabbath-Week” because it had the persuasive power of the knowledge of Christ’s Resurrection ON IT, which carried it across the world in such short time and has maintained it ever since.

In fact the Roman eight-day calendar gave in to the Christian “Sabbath-week” and even the Jewish “sevenths (shabua)-week” (in OT Greek the ‘hebdomos-week’) ceased vis a vis the POWER OF HIS RESURRECTION EVEN UPON THE DAY IN WHICH GOD FINISHED AND RESTED IN CHRIST IN RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.

One would have to smoke South African weed before they can make sense out of your 40 years of mishmash. 40 years of confusion. Pathetic

Fact remains,
In the scriptures we have a Sunday Resurrection
Outside scriptures we have unbroken record of Sunday Resurrections
Saturday Resurrection theories are extremely late. One may as well believe Mary was assumed into heaven as the Quran tells us because there is more historical evidence of that belief than in a Saturday Resurrection

The only politics I read in bible perversion is your garbage sir.

 

[vooks]

There used to be a fool named Alberto Rivera. You remind me of him. He once infamously claimed that Roman Catholic Church had records in some computer of all Protestants. He went as far as hallucinating that RCC invented Islam.

Pushed for evidence of his allegations, he claimed it was hidden in Vatican vaults...or it was erased from the face of the earth. So his theories could never be disproved. He made quite a tidy sum lecturing on is theories. Adventists so dearly love him because their sect is largely founded on anti-Catholicism.

Now, could you please share with me PROOF of Saturday Resurrection garbage form annals of history?

Seeing it was so clear from the scriptures that Christ resurrected on Saturday, why would ALL believers without exception believe on a Sunday Resurrection? Why do you mistake YHWH for Madiba to author such confusion for centuries until some puny brains like you happened along to correct the body of Christ?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

There used to be a fool named Alberto Rivera. You remind me of him. He once infamously claimed that Roman Catholic Church had records in some computer of all Protestants. He went as far as hallucinating that RCC invented Islam.

Pushed for evidence of his allegations, he claimed it was hidden in Vatican vaults...or it was erased from the face of the earth. So his theories could never be disproved. He made quite a tidy sum lecturing on is theories. Adventists so dearly love him because their sect is largely founded on anti-Catholicism.

Now, could you please share with me PROOF of Saturday Resurrection garbage form annals of history?

Seeing it was so clear from the scriptures that Christ resurrected on Saturday, why would ALL believers without exception believe on a Sunday Resurrection? Why do you mistake YHWH for Madiba to author such confusion for centuries until some puny brains like you happened along to correct the body of Christ?

RCC invented Islam. Has become most fruitful tool for RCC today.

Hidden in Vatican vaults is MUCH evidence against the RCC. Only evidence destroyed by the RCC has been more . . . erased from the face of the earth.

So the RCC fancied her theories could never be disproved. She has made large sums of money lecturing her untruths --- especially through bogus translations of the Bible sold by the billions.

All Christianity so dearly loves the RCC because their holy Sunday is completely founded on passages of Scriptures perverted by her and her lackeys.

Now, could you please share with me PROOF of Sunday Resurrection in pure Scripture unadulterated by your mother church?

Seeing it was so clear from the Scriptures that Christ resurrected, quote, "on the Sabbath", why would not ALL believers without exception believe, quote, "the Sabbath's" Resurrection?

Because it is written, "they shall believe THE LIE"!

 

[vooks]

RCC invented Islam. Has become most fruitful tool for RCC today.

Hidden in Vatican vaults is MUCH evidence against the RCC. Only evidence destroyed by the RCC has been more . . . erased from the face of the earth.

So the RCC fancied her theories could never be disproved. She has made large sums of money lecturing her untruths --- especially through bogus translations of the Bible sold by the billions.

All Christianity so dearly loves the RCC because their holy Sunday is completely founded on passages of Scriptures perverted by her and her lackeys.

Now, could you please share with me PROOF of Sunday Resurrection in pure Scripture unadulterated by your mother church?

Seeing it was so clear from the Scriptures that Christ resurrected, quote, "on the Sabbath", why would not ALL believers without exception believe, quote, "the Sabbath's" Resurrection?

Because it is written, "they shall believe THE LIE"!

Am still waiting for your evidence of Saturday Resurrection trash. I gave you 500 years of history to prove it. 96AD to 596AD

There really is no need regurgitating Rivera. All here know which sewers to visit for that

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Am still waiting for your evidence of Saturday Resurrection trash. I gave you 500 years of history to prove it. 96AD to 596AD

There really is no need regurgitating Rivera. All here know which sewers to visit for that

I gave you the evidence from your <<500 years of history>>; you haven't looked at it.

For me though, the first century up to <<96AD>> will do. In fact, I INSIST.

And it is you here who keep on vomiting and regurgitating <Rivera>. I have not mentioned him, you did and still do.

 

[vooks]

I gave you the evidence from your <<500 years of history>>; you haven't looked at it.

For me though, the first century up to <<96AD>> will do. In fact, I INSIST.

And it is you here who keep on vomiting and regurgitating <Rivera>. I have not mentioned him, you did and still do.

This is what retards thrive at; ignoring history when it works against them. The Reformers are no scriptures and you would have us examine them. You sick hypocrite!

History is not inspired nor infallible but it can throroughly debunk garbage more than anything else. So once again, what is the EARLIEST mention of the Saturday Resurrection theory? Or, Has there ever been anything else other than Sunday Resurrection from 96AD-596AD?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Am still waiting for your evidence of Saturday Resurrection trash. I gave you 500 years of history to prove it. 96AD to 596AD

There really is no need regurgitating Rivera. All here know which sewers to visit for that

Now go read the full details of each one in the complete, sola, Scriptures on the thread 'Ten visits to the tomb', http://www.baptistboard.com/showthre...=1#post2218866
THAT HAS BEEN WHAT all Christians have been reading throughout the <<500 years of history>> about which you demand from me to be informed. Christians have been reading nothing else and nothing different since the Gospels were written until one century ago, in the first century already in New Testament Greek, later also in Latin, and since Wycliffe and Tyndale et al in English as well. Throughout these eras spanning the whole Christian history, they read—quoting you, <<<of Saturday Resurrection trash>>> in nothing but the Scriptures, New and Old Testaments. Until the Roman Catholic church caught up and the trouble began and the corruptions began which you so enthusiastically defend like are you the pope’s most loyal serf.

 

[vooks]

Now go read the full details of each one in the complete, sola, Scriptures on the thread 'Ten visits to the tomb', http://www.baptistboard.com/showthre...=1#post2218866
THAT HAS BEEN WHAT all Christians have been reading throughout the <<500 years of history>> about which you demand from me to be informed. Christians have been reading nothing else and nothing different since the Gospels were written until one century ago, in the first century already in New Testament Greek, later also in Latin, and since Wycliffe and Tyndale et al in English as well. Throughout these eras spanning the whole Christian history, they read—quoting you, <<<of Saturday Resurrection trash>>> in nothing but the Scriptures, New and Old Testaments. Until the Roman Catholic church caught up and the trouble began and the corruptions began which you so enthusiastically defend like are you the pope’s most loyal serf.

With all respect to the hearing impaired, are you deaf?
Where is your patented Saturday garbage found between 96AD and 596AD?
was Roman Catholic Church existing in 150AD when Justin Matyr penned that?
Show us the FIRST mention of Saturday Resurrection in history outside scriptures.

Why outside scriptures? Because you brutally mutilate scriptures and read your Saturday hallucinations into them. If your two-bit harebrained arguments have any merit, somebody, especially those much closer to the actual events ought to have lurched onto them as well,but they ALL without exception and without your RCC boogey Madiba regarded Sunday as the resurrection day. Some of them not only read the scriptures, they saw the risen Christ and they sat under the apostles. How could they miss it?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

One would have to smoke South African weed before they can make sense out of your 40 years of mishmash. 40 years of confusion. Pathetic

Fact remains,
In the scriptures we have a Sunday Resurrection
Outside scriptures we have unbroken record of Sunday Resurrections
Saturday Resurrection theories are extremely late. One may as well believe Mary was assumed into heaven as the Quran tells us because there is more historical evidence of that belief than in a Saturday Resurrection

The only politics I read in bible perversion is your garbage sir.

Your fallacies denied,

In the Scriptures Old and New Testaments we have a Sabbath Resurrection
Outside Scriptures the only record of Sunday Resurrection in the second century is Justin the politician theologian.
Sabbath Resurrection deposited in all calendars of the first and second millennia AD.

You, may as well believe Mary was assumed into heaven as the Quran tells because there is as little historical evidence for that belief as for your superstitious belief of Biblical evidence for a Sunday Resurrection.

The 'best' and oldest and most conspicuous RCC politics in Bible perversion is that which you pretend not to see ---of course, because that's the political game in false Christianity.

 

[vooks]

Your fallacies denied,

In the Scriptures Old and New Testaments we have a Sabbath Resurrection
Outside Scriptures the only record of Sunday Resurrection in the second century is Justin the politician theologian.
Sabbath Resurrection deposited in all calendars of the first and second millennia AD.

You, may as well believe Mary was assumed into heaven as the Quran tells because there is as little historical evidence for that belief as for your superstitious belief of Biblical evidence for a Sunday Resurrection.

The 'best' and oldest and most conspicuous RCC politics in Bible perversion is that which you pretend not to see ---of course, because that's the political game in false Christianity.

Am debating an overgrown kid it appears who is hard of hearing.
When FIRST in history was Saturday resurrection trash postulated?

Son, go go back to school and know your history before I wipe the floor with your sorry body mass of ignorance:smilewinkgrin:

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

With all respect to the hearing impaired, are you deaf?
Where is your patented Saturday garbage found between 96AD and 596AD?
was Roman Catholic Church existing in 150AD when Justin Matyr penned that?
Show us the FIRST mention of Saturday Resurrection in history outside scriptures.

Why outside scriptures? Because you brutally mutilate scriptures and read your Saturday hallucinations into them. If your two-bit harebrained arguments have any merit, somebody, especially those much closer to the actual events ought to have lurched onto them as well,but they ALL without exception and without your RCC boogey Madiba regarded Sunday as the resurrection day. Some of them not only read the scriptures, they saw the risen Christ and they sat under the apostles. How could they miss it?

Re:
<<<Show us the FIRST mention of Saturday Resurrection in history outside scriptures.>>>

The first mention of a Sunday Resurrection in history outside the Scriptures, was Justin as you know. The only name in nearly two hundred years.

The first MENTION was the first CORRUPTION as direct and blatant as was possible for only a theologian politician, and, if you have the Scriptures and can read them in Greek, as direct and blatantly CORRUPT as impossible not to see and break both one's legs to stand on, over it.

IF ONE HAD THE SCRIPTURES.
But scarcely anybody had the Scriptures in those days and scarcely anybody could read them for themselves. So Saint Justin had a free hand in his underhanded dealings with the kings of the kingdom of darkness.
Writing letters to Caesars is not writing Letters to the Church of Christ. But if you choose to attach greater authority to politicians’ rhetoric, it’s up to you.

So, for <<<the FIRST mention of Saturday Resurrection in history outside scriptures.>>>.

You referred to Barnabas and Ignatius. Ja, naturally at the hand of Sunday worshipping wranglers of simple reality. For your information, both believed Jesus’ Sabbath’s Resurrection.

The first true Christian martyr—Polycarp believed Sabbath Resurrection.

Irenaeus was a Sabbath Resurrection believer, because he was pro quarto-decimen.

The whole Greek or eastern part of Christianity to this day has been quarto-decimen and therefore has believed Jesus’ last passover was (as proclaimed in contemporary phraseology) “Crucifixion Thursday”, “Burial Friday” and “Resurrection Saturday”. You can google them in any year the fourteenth day of the month Nisan will fall on a Thursday.

The Serbian Orthodox Church the same. Their farok told me personally.

Before the great division caused Eastern and Western Catholicisms, the whole of Christianity were quarto-decimen and therefore believed the Sabbath’s Resurrection of Jesus.

The Celts were quarto decimen and Sabbath believers.

The Roman or Western catholic Church at the time of the split in the 13th century, was the minority who, because they have adopted the pagan Sunday instead of the ‘Jewish Sabbath’, wanted ‘Easter’ always to be on Fridays and ‘Resurrection Sunday’.

 

[vooks]

Re:
<<<Show us the FIRST mention of Saturday Resurrection in history outside scriptures.>>>

The first mention of a Sunday Resurrection in history outside the Scriptures, was Justin as you know. The only name in nearly two hundred years.

The first MENTION was the first CORRUPTION as direct and blatant as was possible for only a theologian politician, and, if you have the Scriptures and can read them in Greek, as direct and blatantly CORRUPT as impossible not to see and break both one's legs to stand on, over it.

IF ONE HAD THE SCRIPTURES.
But scarcely anybody had the Scriptures in those days and scarcely anybody could read them for themselves. So Saint Justin had a free hand in his underhanded dealings with the kings of the kingdom of darkness.
Writing letters to Caesars is not writing Letters to the Church of Christ. But if you choose to attach greater authority to politicians’ rhetoric, it’s up to you.

So, for <<<the FIRST mention of Saturday Resurrection in history outside scriptures.>>>.

You referred to Barnabas and Ignatius. Ja, naturally at the hand of Sunday worshipping wranglers of simple reality. For your information, both believed Jesus’ Sabbath’s Resurrection.

The first true Christian martyr—Polycarp believed Sabbath Resurrection.

Irenaeus was a Sabbath Resurrection believer, because he was pro quarto-decimen.

The whole Greek or eastern part of Christianity to this day has been quarto-decimen and therefore has believed Jesus’ last passover was (as proclaimed in contemporary phraseology) “Crucifixion Thursday”, “Burial Friday” and “Resurrection Saturday”. You can google them in any year the fourteenth day of the month Nisan will fall on a Thursday.

The Serbian Orthodox Church the same. Their farok told me personally.

Before the great division caused Eastern and Western Catholicisms, the whole of Christianity were quarto-decimen and therefore believed the Sabbath’s Resurrection of Jesus.

The Celts were quarto decimen and Sabbath believers.

The Roman or Western catholic Church at the time of the split in the 13th century, was the minority who, because they have adopted the pagan Sunday instead of the ‘Jewish Sabbath’, wanted ‘Easter’ always to be on Fridays and ‘Resurrection Sunday’.

Cut your Boer rants. Let's go to school
Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day [Sunday or Saturday?]for rejoicing, in the which
also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
into the heavens. (The Epistle of Barnabas , 100 AD ).

When you are not busy hallucinating, try and quote your sources to support your claims son. All those who hang around me experience a sharp spike in their IQ. I will teach you how to think. :laugh:

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Cut your Boer rants. Let's go to school
Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day [Sunday or Saturday?]for rejoicing, in the which
also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
into the heavens. (The Epistle of Barnabas, 100 AD ).

When you are not busy hallucinating, try and quote your sources to support your claims son. All those who hang around me experience a sharp spike in their IQ. I will teach you how to think. :laugh:

<<Quote (my) sources>>? You quoted them!

Re:
<<<the eighth day [Sunday or Saturday?]>>>

Neither, because in Barnabas’ letter, “the seventh day”—the Sabbath— symbolised “the eighth day”; not the First Day or Sunday.

Barnabas says “Jesus rose from the dead on the eighth day, and ascended into the heavens”, “on the eighth day” as well.

So, according to you Jesus rose on Sunday and, according to you, after forty days it was Sunday again when He ascended into heaven because you claim Sunday was Barnabas’ “eighth day”.
Or are you trying a joke on yourself?

 

[vooks]

<<Quote (my) sources>>? You quoted them!

Burden of proof for your trash lies squarely on your puny brains!

Re:
<<<the eighth day [Sunday or Saturday?]>>>

Neither, because in Barnabas’ letter, “the seventh day”—the Sabbath— symbolised “the eighth day”; not the First Day or Sunday.

Patented nonsense.
Prove EIGHTH symbolizes SEVENTH.

Barnabas says “Jesus rose from the dead on the eighth day, and ascended into the heavens”, “on the eighth day” as well.

So, according to you Jesus rose on Sunday and, according to you, after forty days it was Sunday again when He ascended into heaven because you claim Sunday was Barnabas’ “eighth day”.
Or are you trying a joke on yourself?

Don't misquote Barnabas you ignorant primate
Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which
also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
into the heavens.
Read that verse under any translation you can find. EIGHTH DAY is connected to resurrection and resurrection alone....Not ascension.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Burden of proof for your trash lies squarely on your puny brains!


Patented nonsense.
Prove EIGHTH symbolizes SEVENTH.


Don't misquote Barnabas you ignorant primate
Barnabas 15:9
Wherefore also we keep the eighth day for rejoicing, in the which
also Jesus rose from the dead, and having been manifested ascended
into the heavens.
Read that verse under any translation you can find. EIGHTH DAY is connected to resurrection and resurrection alone....Not ascension.

Principle b