Politics slamming hydroxychloroquine in studies now drawing some contempt of the data they used

[Gold Dragon]

You keep insisting that Cuomo and Trump took the hydroxychloroquine as a prophylaxis but you have no evidence to back up that assertion.

I wasn't aware of either getting covid19 and taking it for treatment. So you are left with prophylaxis. Or are you suggesting they took it for recreational purposes?

 

[church mouse guy]

I wasn't aware of either getting covid19 and taking it for treatment. So you are left with prophylaxis. Or are you suggesting they took it for recreational purposes?

There is no explanation that I have seen so if you can come up with a published report, great; otherwise, you are merely speculating.

 

[Scott Downey]

Dr. Marc Siegel on faulty hydroxychloroquine data: 'This is a political hit job'

The virus is becoming less virulent and or the most vulnerable already perished. The need for vaccine IMO, is to be only for the elderly but will be offered to all adults.

Siegel also addressed that doctors at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center (UPMC) said Thursday that the coronavirus appears to be declining both in virulence and in its infection rate.

"The virus appears to be getting milder. People who are being admitted have milder symptoms. We heard the same thing out of northern Italy," Siegel said. "And guess what? I have been hearing the same thing from many doctors here in New York City over the past week or two."

 

[Calminian]

This is a major scandal. No question people have died because of this.


A Second Major COVID Study by Surgisphere Analytics Company Is Retracted

These studies are being retracted, but some are saying there need to be resignations. I would think there needs to be lawsuits as well, by families who were lead to believe HCQ was dangerous, and ended up losing a loved one. Doctors and researchers who trashed HCQ because of their Trump derangement can never be trusted. If you find out your doctor hates Trump, run. Find a new one.

 

[Calminian]

This may be the biggest medical scandal in history. I'd love to see Barr look into this. 100% political.

EXCLUSIVE: The Lancet Study on Hydroxychloroquine Was a COMPLETE FRAUD – The Authors are Linked to the Pharmaceutical Industry and People Died Because of Their Lies!

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Taking a drug as prophylaxis means to take a medication to avoid getting a disease. This is in contrast to taking a drug as treatment when you already have a disease.

It is nonsense to say that all pre-treatment is only for prevention, when it is common knowledge that it can also be aimed at potentially minimizing effects.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

There is yet to be any evidence of a political motivation. It looks more like straight up fraud from a company promising something it couldn’t deliver and making up data. The researchers foolishly trusted the company.
The COVID-19 Pandemic: Did a Scam Company Provide Faulty Data that Lead to a Change in Coronavirus Policies?

It is nonsense to say there is no evidence of political motivation involved. The study was bound to affect the policies regarding the use of the drug, thus politics are inherently directly involved.

 

[Gold Dragon]

It is nonsense to say that all pre-treatment is only for prevention, when it is common knowledge that it can also be aimed at potentially minimizing effects.

Your statement does not make medical sense. If you are talking about minimizing effects of covid19 before getting an infection, that is prophylaxis or prevention.

 

[Gold Dragon]

It is nonsense to say there is no evidence of political motivation involved. The study was bound to affect the policies regarding the use of the drug, thus politics are inherently directly involved.

it had a political effect. But the motivation for the fraud so far was not shown to be politically motivated. Just fraud, likely so a small research startup could bolster its reputation to gain more business.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Your statement does not make medical sense. If you are talking about minimizing effects of covid19 before getting an infection, that is prophylaxis or prevention.

It makes perfect sense. In your description, you only included preventing getting the disease; you did not include getting a milder case.

Taking a drug as prophylaxis means to take a medication to avoid getting a disease. This is in contrast to taking a drug as treatment when you already have a disease.

 

[Gold Dragon]

It makes perfect sense. In your description, you only included preventing getting the disease; you did not include getting a milder case.

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are arguing for the sake of arguing. Make your straw castles somewhere else.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

it had a political effect. But the motivation for the fraud so far was not shown to be politically motivated. Just fraud, likely so a small research startup could bolster its reputation to gain more business.

And just how long and how hard was it to expose the fraud? Not long enough and not hard enough to give them any advantage in the market. It was a flimsy fly-by-night.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and are arguing for the sake of arguing. Make your straw castles somewhere else.

You are clearly resorting to ad hominem, as is your wont. You have no argument, no defense.

You clearly omitted the minimization aspect in your description and I pointed it out. Show where your description explained it and I'll retract, but you are clearly wrong and will not be able to.

If you are going to explain medical terms, then do so by giving the range, not one aspect as though you covered it thoroughly.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Furthermore, you specifically cited infection rate, which again only refers to getting the disease; it does not address severity of cases, which is what I am referring to.

Interestingly, a randomized control trial was just published a few days ago about the prophylactic effect of hydroxychloroquine after exposure to a known case. Unfortunately there was no significant difference between the infection rate for the hydroxy group and placebo group.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2016638

One note is that lack of test availability meant that most of the covid19 diagnoses were clinical diagnoses based on symptoms rather than actual pcr testing.

 

[Gold Dragon]

You are clearly resorting to ad hominem, as is your wont. You have no argument, no defense.

You clearly omitted the minimization aspect in your description and I pointed it out. Show where your description explained it and I'll retract, but you are clearly wrong and will not be able to.

If you are going to explain medical terms, then do so by giving the range, not one aspect as though you covered it thoroughly.

I see engaging in a reasoned discussion with you is just not possible anymore and you just shovel straw. All you ask for is plain to see. Until then, have a nice life.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I see engaging in a reasoned discussion with you is just not possible anymore and you just shovel straw. All you ask for is plain to see. Until then, have a nice life.

More ad hominem and zero argument. You have yet to provide any reasoned discussion here. I provided you with your own statements contradicting your claims and you were unable to point out where I was wrong or misinterpreting.

I don't mind your wanting to see things a certain way, we all do. But if you have no basis other than that, then you fail. Here you have failed miserably, and resorted to ad hominem in the process, something you claim to deplore, at least in others.

But thanks for the well wishes, and the same for you, before and after you finally awake to the truth.

 

[Deacon]

“Several cardiology societies have also highlighted the cardiac considerations for using these drugs in patients with Covid-19, including a summary coauthored by the presidents of the American College of Cardiology, the American Heart Association, and the Heart Rhythm Society. The authors stressed that “hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin have been touted for potential prophylaxis or treatment for Covid-19; both drugs are listed as definite causes of torsades de pointes” and increase in the risk of other arrhythmia and sudden death.

from Cardiology News, “FDA limits use of hydrochloroquine for Covid-19 to hospitals, trials” by Mitchel L. Zoler from the FDA
(Circulation. 2020 Apl 8. doi 10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.120.047521)

 

[Calminian]

You're going to see a lot of posturing and scrambling by very guilty people. But make no mistake this is a scandal. The safety of HCQ is renowned by doctors using it for decades. The recent fear are warnings are all political.

The thought that the President's doctor would prescribe it if it were dangerous is beyond silly. Governors blocking doctors from prescribing it to desperate patients is beyond evil.

 

[Scott Downey]

“Several cardiology societies have also highlighted the cardiac considerations for using these drugs in patients with Covid-19, including a summary coauthored by the presidents of the American College of Cardiology, the American Heart Association, and the Heart Rhythm Society. The authors stressed that “hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin have been touted for potential prophylaxis or treatment for Covid-19; both drugs are listed as definite causes of torsades de pointes” and increase in the risk of other arrhythmia and sudden death.

from Cardiology News, “FDA limits use of hydrochloroquine for Covid-19 to hospitals, trials” by Mitchel L. Zoler from the FDA
(Circulation. 2020 Apl 8. doi 10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.120.047521)

Ok, now tell that to the hundreds of millions of white and black africans (maybe close to a billion people over decades) who have taken this drug prophylactically for malaria prevention including nursing mothers infants and children for many decades and never heard a peep about how it would kill you.

https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxychloroquine.pdf

CDC says this
Hydroxychloroquine can be prescribed to adults
and children of all ages. It can also be safely taken by
pregnant women and nursing mothers.

 

[Calminian]

Ok, now tell that to the hundreds of millions of white and black africans (maybe close to a billion people over decades) who have taken this drug prophylactically for malaria prevention including nursing mothers infants and children for many decades and never heard a peep about how it would kill you.

https://www.cdc.gov/malaria/resources/pdf/fsp/drugs/Hydroxychloroquine.pdf

CDC says this
Hydroxychloroquine can be prescribed to adults
and children of all ages. It can also be safely taken by
pregnant women and nursing mothers.

Exactly. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the shenanigans at play. There is one reason and one only this is now considered a dangerous life-threatening drug.