In politics it is perception that is of up most importance. In this regard the Republicans are in big trouble.
And the GOP's non-compromise is also hurting them.
And the GOP's non-compromise is also hurting them.
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Poll: Americans not happy about shutdown; more blame GOP
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thisnumbersdisconnected
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You mean the guys who have passed five bills to keep the government open, only to have them refused by Reid and the Senate? The guys who have asked for discussions with the Great Pretender and the Senate for three weeks to avoid a shutdown? The guys who practiced the very tactics of compromise you claim they don't have, by giving several options by which the government could stay open and this disaster of a "health care plan" could be delayed at the very least before it destroys the economy? Those guys are the ones who are "non-compromising"? THOSE GUYS???
Oh, Lord help me ...
You fellows are missing the point. It is perception that counts in politics and the GOP is not doing well in that are on this issue.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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The split is almost completely along party lines, with perhaps five to eight percent of those blaming Republicans "independents" joining the Democrats in their disapproval. We're talking 35% blaming Dems, 44% blaming Repubs, and that adds up to only 79% of the public. That means 21% aren't sure who to disapprove, and likely they disapprove of all of 'em.
You're absolutely correct: it's perception. And the Democrats are doing everything they can to ensure that the public has the perception that the Republicans are at fault.
How else do you explain the president's statement that he won't consider negotiating until the Republicans fund the government entirely with no strings attached? If the Republicans agree to that, what's left to negotiate? Why won't the president negotiate NOW, instead of allowing the government to remain closed and hurt those 400,000-800,000 civilians who are now furloughed?
And if you truly agree that it's perception--then why do you continue to support the Democrats who are using Chicago/Mob-style tactics to ensure that perception? Why aren't you fighting against it? Or are you encouraging the Republicans to use the same style tactics?
No surprise there and I am sure the Republicans are doing the same in the opposite direction ... they just are not doing a very good job. They have painted themselves into a corner.
Why should he negotiate on funding the health care plan. Congress passed it into law. He was re-elected by a majority of Americans. The Republicans have backed off all other issues in this. Is it right for a minority to hold the entire country hostage over an already passed law?
Also think of how this will affect our attempting to deal with other countries. There will be no trust that we will do what we say. We say we are a country of law and yet a minority is destroying the concert in the eyes of others.
I would say on this one the Republicans are using mob style tactics holding the country hostage by a few radicals.
Radicals ? People who want an end to the exemptions are radicals ? You really don't have any grasp of facts on this, and should probably just blame Bush.
Yes or no question, does congress deserve better health care than you do ?
Yes or no question, does congress deserve better health care than you do ?
thisnumbersdisconnected
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Passed it, yes, but with a Democratic Party majority in both houses, a majority that conspired with the Great Pretender to hide not so much the content as the intent of the law for four years. The law was misrepresented, implemented after unconstitutional line-item changes by the Empty Suit, after exemptions were granted to political patrons of the White House, and now threatens to put insurance companies and doctors out of business. We change or repeal laws that become abusive, obsolete, or detrimental to the quality of life. We've done that for 223 years. It is naive and/or manipulative and disingenuous for anyone, whether in the White House or on a message board, to claim that a law is a law is a law and is therefore untouchable. That is absolute nonsense.
No, they've "compromised." But I don't guess you and the Great Pretender think that's a viable concept.
Fifty-six percent of the public wants it gutted or repealed. As I pointed out elsewhere, that's five and a half percent more of the public than actually voted for him. That's not a minority. Math sucks, don't it?
That's how a representative republic works. It provides checks and balance against an out of control majority, and as I've already pointed out, the minority in the Senate is representing the views of the majority of the country. You also conveniently forget in this ludicrous "argument" you are making, the "people's house", the one based on "one man, one vote," is a Republican majority.
It was a "few radicals" who organized the fight against tyranny of this exact same type in 1776, and look where that got us!
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So it's okay for the president to modify a law that was passed by Congress?
So how does it look when a president uses his authority and his allies in Congress to push through a law, and then turn around and, without consulting Congress, exempt parts of the very law he pushed to have passed?
Then you're not looking at this objectively. And before you try to say the same about me, I'm an independent; I hold no allegiance to Republican, Democrat, Tea Party, libertarian, etc.
saturneptune
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Instead of blaming one party or the other at election time next year, a more likely outcome is to throw out any incumbent period. They are all part of the problem.
Your sentiment has appeal, but I fear it will never happen. If the whole bunch thought they were going to be thrown out I wonder what kind of golden parachutes they would pass into law for themselves?
Don't know what you are talking about.
Ok, so you are an independent. So you should be able to give me an objective answer to my comment below. I would appreciate that.
So let me get this right: Navy and Air Force can play football, but classes are cancelled.
The Republicans want to open the National Parks but continue to shut down WIC, SNAP, and NIH Clinical where new trials for treating things like cancer are being worked on. Did I get that right? Someone please explain this to me. And don't give me that "the Democrats are to blame" line ....these are Republican suggestions.
thisnumbersdisconnected
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No, you absolutely did not. You must have missed this:
http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=89092&posted=1#post2036822
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Why just children?
What about adults with cancer, diabetes, ALS.
If the Senate agreed the House Republicans would cherry pick what they wanted passed and then what a mess we would have.
What about all the other programs that help people.
Saw on Facebook an entry from a friend who works for the US gov. stationed in Germany. He and his co-workers, who really are defending our country, are furloughed. Go figure.
All they have to do is agree to raise the debt limit.
What about adults with cancer, diabetes, ALS.
If the Senate agreed the House Republicans would cherry pick what they wanted passed and then what a mess we would have.
What about all the other programs that help people.
Saw on Facebook an entry from a friend who works for the US gov. stationed in Germany. He and his co-workers, who really are defending our country, are furloughed. Go figure.
All they have to do is agree to raise the debt limit.
Oh please. It's getting deep, and stinky.
You're kidding, right? You're seriously not aware that Obama granted a one-year extension of the ACA to businesses, but won't consider doing so for individuals--the people who could actually use that year to ensure they're getting the right plans and actually savng money?
Negative. The game will continue because the academy sports are funded through non-appropriated funds, not through congressional funding--and it's not the first time they've continued their sports programs during shut-downs.
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2013/10...vy-set-for-weekend-football-other-sports-off/
Get your facts straight: the Republican-held House sent forth a bill that funded the government, but not the ACA. The Democrat-controlled Senate said no. The Republican-controlled House then sent forth several bills to fund the government, including one to fund the NIH; the Democrat-controlled Senate said no, and the Democrat president is laying the blame for not funding NIH and the government on the House. The House is refusing to fund ONE part of the government budget; the Democrats keep saying "all or nothing."
saturneptune
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CTB
You were correct, Barack is Superman............
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You were correct, Barack is Superman............
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