Poll For The Dispensationalists_Which Are You?

Classical dispensationalism refers to the writings of Darby and Chafer’s eight-volume Systematic Theology and the notes in the Scofield bible.

Another featurewould be of the dualistic idea of redemption by some.

Many in this camp teach a heavenly, spiritual, and individualistic nature of the church which underscored the well-known view that the church is a parenthesis in the history of redemption. In this tradition, there was little emphasis on social or political activity for the church.

As taught by John Walvoord, Dwight Pentecost, Charles Ryrie, Charles Feinberg, Alva J. McClain taught a revised view which didn't teach a dualism of heavenly and earthly peoples. The emphasis is own two groups of God's people and that is Israel and the church. These two groups are They are structured differently with different dispensational roles and responsibilities for each group of people, but the salvation they each receive is the same.

This group also see the church and Israel as existing together during the millennium and eternal state.

And we have Progressive despensationalists they see more continuity between Israel and the church than the other two camps within dispensationalism. They stress that both Israel and the church compose the “people of God” and both are related to the blessings of the New Covenant, but there are differences in the two groups. Progressive dispensationalists do not equate the church as Israel in this age and they still see a future distinct identity and function for ethnic Israel in the coming millennial kingdom.

 

I would say you are mistaken here. We evangelize the Jew today and if he is saved he comes into the church today.

 

Classic Dispensation sees the distinction of Israel (stewardship of law) and the church (stewardship), they also recognize God dealt with Israel in Grace by Faith for Salvation and the Law was given to show them they could not live up to God's standard just as we in the Church cannot live up to it. The Law never saved anyone and never will. Not sure where you get classic sees Israel as saved by the Law that is the reformed view in most cases.

 

I agree with you on this Bob. Jesusfan has been listenig to too much Hagee. Hagee teaches a radical form of dispy'sm. However, one can see how Hagee would reach his conclusions based on some statements made by regular dispies. Let's take "The jews are God's chosen people" for example. If that is true, then why should they convert? If the Church is ANOTHER people of God, and not THE people of God, then surely there must be two peoples of God each with their own covenant and means of salvation.

 

You are correct in that!
I chose my words poorly, was trying to convey that Classic Dyspy does though tend to see that isreal/Jewish peoples have a seperate relationship to God....


That some of the classic Dispy did teach that Law given unto isreal grace to Church and that jews still had a valid relationship to God based upon law keeping and their Covenant

And some even today hold that their is NO need to witness to jews as God as them still under OT covenant relationship!

 

Yes you did (chose words poorly). The trend continues, read on...

 

problem is that early Dispy, some of them, DID hold to what I wrote!

that Sermon on Mount was to show us HOW those under the law were suppossed to live for God...

 

No, he is right. Some forms of older dispy believed the Jews were (and will be again in the trib and mill) saved by Law. I know because I used to run around with some of them. Think Ruckman in Pensacola. And he's also right about some believing that the Jews even today do not need the Gospel. (Google Hagee to find out).

 

Think that you CAN notice the different views IF one can find 1917 Scofield, and contrast that to the "new Scofield!"

 

Question: Why do you make it sound like finding a 1917 Scofield is an impossible task?

 

Where I live, here near Detroit, hard to find the "old" scofield on book shelves, almost all are :"new scofield" have to go pretty much to a "KJV O" type book store!

 

I see. I think I read somewhere, and by the way it's ok for me to rely on memory as if it is repeating certain fact since the highly regarded and well educated kyredneck set the example in an earlier post in this thread. But I seem to recall reading not too long ago that the 1917 Scofield still is a good seller. I mean I know this, one of my Scofields, a Bible that I purchased at my local Bible Book Store (Hackman's in Allentown PA) just a few months ago (got a really good deal on it BTW) has a comment on the copyright page stating that it is the exact same as printed in 1917 with the exception that the modern printing has the comment stating that it is the exact same as the 1917 printing.

Anyway, sorry that you live in a Scofield depressed area but the latest "thing" in retail literature accusition is something referred to as "mail order". Personally I couldn't imagine the UPS guy delivering a Scofield to my door but I've heard some rumors to the effect that it can be done.***

While dispensationalists can and do differ on details the thing that sets them apart from reformed covenant believers is the dispensationalists tries to base their theology on the normal, plain in their historical setting of the Scriptures and they use the actual covenants mentioned in the Bible as a rough guide. Covenant believers on the other hand, base their theology on the covenants of redemption, works and grace, covenants not found in the Bible and they rely on the teachings of the 16th century reformers and their creeds, who by the way got their theology from Augustine and the Catholic church fathers.

An interesting question for a prolific question asker such as yourself to ponder and study is "how many times must a person read the Bible before the light bulb goes off and they see plainly the covenants of works, redemption and grace"? Would make a good poll question with options 100 times, 1000 times 10,000 times, Never.

Another question, why is it ok to bash dispies and yet pretend that guy's like N.T. Wright are wonderfully enlightened brethern when in fact they (NT Wright and those of his intellectual club) are basically theological liberals?

And one last question, how many reformed covenant miossionaries are in the field, preaching the gospel, like Paul, to the Jew first, then to the Gentiles?

***on edit... JesusFan, why would you or anyone else, including the famed kyredneck and the teen prodigy Logos1 et el; quote from a book or opine on the writings of a theologian that you do not own or have ready access to?

 

Ok reformed folks complain their view gets misrepresented and then you go and do this. It is not "classic dispy" and anyone who says such a thing does not know anything about the dispensational view.

 

I only purchase the old scoffield version and have several.
My wife has the New Scoffield

 

Seems likel you left the truth, he found it, IMHO that is.

You didn't list him, but I like Clarance Larkin along with Scofield. I also enjoy Ryrie. I've read some of his books, and in the past I used a Ryrie Study Bible. I liked that bible, I wish I still had it.

 

I'm not big on Dispensationalism. I think hyper-dispensationalism complete error, there is only one gospel, and always has been.

I read Dispensational Truth by Clarence Larkin years ago. I believe there is some truth to Dispensationalism.

I do believe the Lord will return and save the Jews as shown in Zechariah.

 

I can't speak for everyone, but I voted Classic and I don't believe Israel was saved by keeping the Law. I have never heard this preached in any church I have attended!

 

thats fine, as I think that it all depends which teacher of Dispy you were under....