The right to own a firearm is not a God given right.
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Poll: If the 2nd A was constitutionally repealed…….
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The right of self defence is a God given right, even the animals exercise that right and God even furnished them with the means of self defence.
If guys want to abdicate their God given responsibility to protect their family to Caesar by removing their teeth and claws, they may want to render their testicles unto caesar as well.
It may be virtuous for an individual to make themselves defenceless, and tolerate the evils that happen to him. But it is not virtuous to make yourself defenceless and tolerate the evils that follow to others as a result.
Owning firearms is not a God given right.
Lodic
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The colonists supported God’s institution of government , and they believed that their actions against a specific oppressive regime were not a violation of the general principle of Romans 13:1-7. They were not so much "anti-government" as they were against tyranny. They pointed out that it was King George III who was in violation of Scripture. No king who behaved so wickedly, they said, could be considered “God’s servant.” Therefore, it was a Christian’s duty to resist him.
Our founding fathers had to justify whether they would violate 1 Peter 2:13-14, which says we are to be subject to every human authority. This passage includes the phrase "for the Lord's sake". Logically, this is as a condition for obedience. The reasoning ran thus: if the authority was unrighteous and passed unrighteous laws, then following them could not be a righteous thing. In other words, one cannot obey a wicked law “for the Lord’s sake.”
In the Declaration, the Founders issued a comprehensive and prophetic catalogue of the 27 things King George had done that were evil in the sight of the Lord. This “long train of usurpations” and “oppressions” included such transgressions as refusing his assent to their laws, imposing stiff taxes on them without representation or their consent, obstructing the administration of justice, establishing arbitrary forms of government, imposing tyrannical legislation on them, conducting himself in a way that was “totally unworthy of the Head of a civilized nation,” stirring up hostile Indian nations against them, and in general seeking to establish “an absolute Tyranny” over the States. He, in short, had conducted himself in every way not as a king but as a tyrant. They concluded that “A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.”
Owning and bearing arms for self defence and defence of others is a God given innate Right. Human beings would not exist without exercising this innate right in a hostile world.
No, it's not a right. It may be a felt need due to the corrupt nature of humanity, but it is not a God-given right.
God gives government law enforcement the right to carry weapons and enforce justice. (Romans 13 and 1 Peter 2)
Upon Jesus return and His destruction of the world by fire, there will never again be a weapon on earth.
canadyjd
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Obviously it was God’s will the country was founded. As Joseph said of his brothers, paraphrase, they were acting in evil ways but God meant it for good.
You keep claiming I “allegedly” live in the US, and that is a sin. Do you really believe no US Christian could possibly accept a legal repeal of the 2nd A and voluntarily turn in their weapons?
It is certainly a “sin” to lie. It is also a sin to make false accusations.
One of the first signs someone is losing a debate is continuous personal attacks.
peace to you
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canadyjd
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Your constitution merely recognises your natural inalienable human right to self defence as free men. That right preexisted your government and the constitution.
If you deny people the means of self defence you deny the right of self defence.
If people take this incredible gift of life for granted and you care not for its defence or the lives of those in your care, by all means, make your self defenceless.
A man is responsible for ecosystem under his care.
A man deserves the undying scorn and disrespect of his wife and children when he fails in his god given responsibility to protect them.
He should gift his martial bed to Caesar ( he’ll take it from here ), and hand his children over to criminals, death or slavery.
When I was 5 I saw my neighbours chopped up with axes in a payback attack. I used to go next door and the lady used to fry bananas for me.
She was killed, her head nearly completely cut off.
I learned from this at a young age, many take life for granted in the decadent western world.
Most of the world does not have Rights enumerated in a constitution, it seems many in the US take these hard won rights for granted, they need the history lesson in real time.
Here we don’t have the right to self defence, we can not carry anything that could be used as a weapon in our defence. People die defenceless here all the time, the government prohibits the means of self defence.
BasketFinch
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You keep saying we must obey,obey,obey. The Revolutionary war, and by proxy because that helped found this country, was against God.
You're wrong .
We must obey God rather than man when man is wrong. And the crown was wrong. Which is part of why Christian founders of later America and others left.
Yes, allegedly. Because the sin is to condemn and denigrate what God ordained to be.
The God given Right of self defence includes all weapons he deems necessary to defend his life and family.
Are you going to tell the cave man that he can’t pick up a stick to defend his family from the sabre tooth cat? The Right is innate.
A man’s God given responsibility to protect his family, gives him the God given Right to bear arms in their defence.
I’ve seen the look a wife gave a bloke when he failed to protect her, it’s the face of betrayal you could only see in Gethsemane otherwise and there is no making it better.
I wouldn’t wish that look on a brown dog with fleas and mange.
Men are not meant to render their responsibilities and testicles unto Caesar.
canadyjd
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I keep saying that if the constitution were legally changed to repeal the 2nd A, I would comply. I am right to do so.
I agree with you that we obey God rather than man when man is “wrong”. The legal repeal of the 2nd A is not such an issue.
It is not a sin to condemn rebellion when God has clearly commanded Christians not to rebel.
It is sinful, however, to ignore His Word in favor of secular beliefs.
peace to you
canadyjd
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You have suffered a horrific event at the age of five. I sincerely hope you have received whatever counseling you needed to cope with such horror.
peace to you
BasketFinch
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To the contrary. Repeal would be unconstitutional.
Counselling? That was the counselling. It was the first in a litany 3rd world horrors that informed me about life and taking responsibility protecting the vulnerable.
canadyjd
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Please explain how a repeal of the 2nd A which followed all the constitutional requirements to change the constitution would somehow be unconstitutional?
peace to you
canadyjd
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That is a very heavy responsibility you have placed on yourself. May God sustain you and give you peace in your efforts.
peace to you
BasketFinch
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Usually the onus is on the one stating the facts to prove them. However, I think you should do your own research given your politics.
canadyjd
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So, you cannot explain how repealing the 2nd A by using the proper constitutional method to change the constitution, is somehow unconstitutional, right?
It is simple, it is not unconstitutional to change the constitution by means of the process given in the constitution.
The problem comes with accepting the process if it goes against your belief.
peace to you
BasketFinch
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No.
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