Poll: If the Draft is Reinstituted....

[DHK]

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:

And no I haven't. What is the BSE and why should I care?

The current U.S. border closure to all live cattle and meat from animals older than 30 months now prevents Canadian access to the U.S. packing infrastructure. This situation has created a huge oversupply of live cattle that cannot pass through the bottleneck of Canada’s domestic packing capacity, although Canadian packers have been slaughtering at a rate close to their maximum capacity during fall 2003 and winter 2004,[4] in response to the partial reopening of the U.S. and Mexican borders to some categories of beef in August 2003.

The country’s cattle herd has been growing in size,[5] and cattle prices have remained very low (see Box 1). Cow-calf and feedlot operators have suffered a sharp loss of income and equity that has reduced the availability of cash flow and access to financing. Mr. Neil Hardy, President of the Saskatchewan Association of Rural Municipalities, estimated that the cow‑calf sector lost $3 billion in equity due to the decline in the value of the breeding stock. For some farmers, it meant the loss of a lifetime’s earnings, and in some extreme and painful cases the seizure of cattle because they could no longer be fed.

BSE Crisis

 

[tragic_pizza]

So we should just allow potentially mad-cow diseased meat into the country? OK.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
So we should just allow potentially mad-cow diseased meat into the country? OK.

If you get your facts straight there is no mad cow disease in Canada. It was an isolated incident that has been taken care of. Strict control measures have been since been put in place. Furthermore, the States have already had mad cow disease problems of their own, when it showed up in Washington. They have a "Blame Canada" mentality.
DHK

 

[tragic_pizza]

That, or the checks and balances Canada has in place work as well as the Canadian health care system does.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
That, or the checks and balances Canada has in place work as well as the Canadian health care system does.

I am not sure how to take your last statement--as a compliment or otherwise. I could take a job in the U.S., but I prefer to stay in Canada precisely because of the healthcare system. It is the U.S. that is crying out for drugs from Canada. Funny how the Americans can't afford their own American-made medicines.
DHK

 

[Dragoon68]

Thank you brother for your service to our nation and for your sensible comments! I know the feeling and have heard it from many fellow veterans. We are still with those who fight today. They carry on the lineage just as we did for those before us. Write to them, talk to them, and let'em know how you feel - it'll make a difference and they need the support.

Patrick

Originally posted by Bible Student:
As a Vietnam era vetran and also a Desert Storm vetran, I wish I could be back in the military. You see most of us who have served and serve now are proud about doing service for this country.

It is the Government who decides what is best for our counrty and it is our military who fight the battles as directed. I will support the Iraq war as I nor you have all the information to know if it is right or wrong, history will tell us the truth one day.

But, this is my country and I choose to die for it if necessary period. Cry all you want but as a great man once stated, "give me liberty or give me death." Remember 9/11 and who broght it to us.

Richard

 

[dianetavegia]

Funny how the Americans can't afford their own American-made medicines.

DHK, I think the number of uninsured American's is higher than reported. We have low cost health insurance for Nick because of our terribly low income. My husband can go to the VA and see specialists from Emory for $35. but if I were to get really sick, I'd just have to die.

My husband has Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease, Asthma, Multiple Sclerosis (just diagnosed 2 months ago), Rheumatoid Arthritis, High BP, an atropied bladder (has been unable to urinate without a catheter for 11 years or so), etc. He's 57 and cannot get a decent paying job. We made $11,000. last year. In 1994 he made over $60,000 (before taxes and S/S at 15% for self employed). We now are 2 months behind on our mortgage and cannot find an answer.

I'd gladly accept socialized medicine. Anything is better than NOTHING.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by dianetavegia:
I'd gladly accept socialized medicine. Anything is better than NOTHING.

I couldn't agree more.
Will be praying for you and your family needs.
DHK

 

[Pennsylvania Jim]

Originally posted by ballfan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Suppose that Bugs Bunny fell from the sky and began singing in Sanskrit?

Deal with realities, Jimbo. No one has declared war on Canada. People are dying in real life, because people just like you think it's teh cool to make fun of the President and undermine the troops in their war effort.

They don't realize they're doing this. Our enemies keep up with news in the US. They see our division and it gives them reason to hold out until we just give up. Our troops in the feild end up paying the price for their protest. It does work that way. </font>[/QUOTE]You guys have no idea. There are men who have given their limbs in battle who disagree with you. Are you going to question their dedication and patriotism, also?

Your thinking is so shallow...not because of your conclusions, but because you have not backed them up other than to name-call.

Disagree if you want, that's why we discuss. But if you have personal accusations, you had better be able to back them up, or else keep quiet.

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by Pennsylvania Jim:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ballfan:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by tragic_pizza:
Suppose that Bugs Bunny fell from the sky and began singing in Sanskrit?

Deal with realities, Jimbo. No one has declared war on Canada. People are dying in real life, because people just like you think it's teh cool to make fun of the President and undermine the troops in their war effort.

They don't realize they're doing this. Our enemies keep up with news in the US. They see our division and it gives them reason to hold out until we just give up. Our troops in the feild end up paying the price for their protest. It does work that way. </font>[/QUOTE]You guys have no idea. There are men who have given their limbs in battle who disagree with you. Are you going to question their dedication and patriotism, also?

Your thinking is so shallow...not because of your conclusions, but because you have not backed them up other than to name-call.

Disagree if you want, that's why we discuss. But if you have personal accusations, you had better be able to back them up, or else keep quiet. </font>[/QUOTE]????? What are you talking about? Have I called you a name? Where? I haven't called anyone here a name.


This is right on target.

"They don't realize they're doing this. Our enemies keep up with news in the US. They see our division and it gives them reason to hold out until we just give up. Our troops in the feild end up paying the price for their protest. It does work that way."

Do you feel like that applies to you?

 

[LadyEagle]

They see our division and it gives them reason to hold out until we just give up.

I doubt this is true, but if it is, it only shows how ignorant they are about Americans. Americans don't give up until our leaders do, and even then, not always.

It could also be said that they see our division and it serves to prove a stark contrast between our society where we have the freedom to dissent and their Islamofascist culture which beheads those who dissent. Freedom versus bondage.

Our troops in the feild end up paying the price for their protest.

Our troops in the field pay the price for our right to protest. Freedom works that way. Just ask the troops - they will sacrifice for our right to be free and for the right of Americans to dissent.

 

[Pennsylvania Jim]

Ballfan, tragic pizza,

Over 1000 troops have been killed in this war. It makes me sick.

Some of us, who have been on the receiving end of war casualties, directly or by family, are SICKENED by the implication that we are against the troops. HOW DARE YOU!

YOU HAVE NO IDEA how our hearts ache for those in the war. When was the last time YOU fell on your face, weeping and sobbing over the latest news of young people who left their families, and now will never return?

If you think that the war is justifiable, that's your opinion. I will not blame you for the deaths and mutilations of our soldiers. But you should understand that if someone does not, then opposing it is the best thing to do for the troops, and you do not hold a squatre inch of high ground in the issue.

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />They see our division and it gives them reason to hold out until we just give up.

I doubt this is true, but if it is, it only shows how ignorant they are about Americans. Americans don't give up until our leaders do, and even then, not always.

It could also be said that they see our division and it serves to prove a stark contrast between our society where we have the freedom to dissent and their Islamofascist culture which beheads those who dissent. Freedom versus bondage.

Our troops in the feild end up paying the price for their protest.

Our troops in the field pay the price for our right to protest. Freedom works that way. Just ask the troops - they will sacrifice for our right to be free and for the right of Americans to dissent. </font>[/QUOTE]Its true alright.

http://www.learnedhand.com/kerryunfit7.htm

"According to Pacepa, Yuri Andropov, then chairman of the KGB, ordered agent Romesh Chandra, the chairman of the KGB-financed World Peace Organization, to create the Stockholm Conference on Vietnam as a permanent international organization “to aid or to conduct operations to help Americans dodge the draft or defect, to demoralize its army with anti-American propaganda, to conduct protests, demonstrations, and boycotts, and to sanction anyone connected with the war."


http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=20040609201851205

 

[LadyEagle]

That was then. This is now.

We are on the horizon of a New World Order.

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by LadyEagle:
That was then. This is now.

We are on the horizon of a New World Order.

And changes nothing about protesters giving aid and comfort to the enemy however unintended it maybe or however good their intentions might be. The enemy still see's our division and it gives them reason to hold out.

"That was then. This is now." And there is nothing new about this. Still works the same way.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Why are we still in Germany after 59 years?
For whatever that reason is, we will
havearmed forces
in Iraq 58 years from now (2062)

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by Pennsylvania Jim:
Ballfan, tragic pizza,

Over 1000 troops have been killed in this war. It makes me sick.

Some of us, who have been on the receiving end of war casualties, directly or by family, are SICKENED by the implication that we are against the troops. HOW DARE YOU!

YOU HAVE NO IDEA how our hearts ache for those in the war. When was the last time YOU fell on your face, weeping and sobbing over the latest news of young people who left their families, and now will never return?

If you think that the war is justifiable, that's your opinion. I will not blame you for the deaths and mutilations of our soldiers. But you should understand that if someone does not, then opposing it is the best thing to do for the troops, and you do not hold a squatre inch of high ground in the issue.

The protests here do nothing to help the troops in the field.

 

[Pennsylvania Jim]

If we would stop waging wars that have nothing to do with the defense of our nation, it would help the troops greatly. That's what some of us want.

 

[ballfan]

Originally posted by Pennsylvania Jim:
If we would stop waging wars that have nothing to do with the defense of our nation, it would help the troops greatly. That's what some of us want.

The Neville Chamberlain theory?

 

[church mouse guy]

The Peroutkistas that started this thread are merely picking up on the scarey Kerry line as dreamt up by the great Charles Rangel. Next the Peroutkistas will be telling us that Bush is going to cut Social Security. Peroutkistas are shameless in their adoption of Democrat lines.