Poll on Supporting a New Church Plant

If you do not allow it in your church why would you support another church that does it. That would be inconsistent at best and hypocritical at worst.

 

Many good Baptist churches in Europe use the real thing. I don't have a problem with it as long as they don't drink the whole bottle at one sitting.

 

Why would it be either? I support missionaries that are IFB from our SBC church- is that hypocritical or inconsistent?

 

Being other than IFB and holding to something deemed as immoral are two different things.

 

Anyone familiar with distilled drink knows that YEAST is the active agent to bring fermentation to the wine.

"Fermented wine" is NOT "unleavened" (yeast free) as has been supposed.

If one wants "unleavened" wine, then the wine that has no yeast added is that wine which is not "fermented;" it contains all the natural sugars and only yeast that occurs naturally within the grape development. Just as the "unleavened" bread contains whole flour and that has trace natural occurring yeast.

All modern "fermented" wine uses cultured yeast products that are added and blended. Just as any schooled chef knows that yeast is added to cause breads to rise but that all whole wheat flour contains a form of natural yeast - just not enough to cause the bread to rise.

More to the point, I personally would not support this assembly.

If I were the pastor of a near assembly in the same state or in the same association, I might consider bringing up the planting needs to my assembly and considering some type of "love offering" in which believers may contribute as impressed by the Holy Spirit.

Teaching the appropriate perspective on intoxicants is not a "ludicrous" topic. Those who teach abstinence and the appropriate doctor prescribed use of intoxicants were not just in this last 100 years.

Paul would not have instructed Timothy if drinking wine were "the new-fangled abstinence standeeeerd made by man."

 

Drinking wine for Communion is immoral? How so?

 

That would be my ? also.

 

I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that if a church finds any alcohol consumption immoral and that is the doctrine they teahc and hold to then why would they support a church plant that uses alcohol under any circumstance. That would be inconsistent at best and hypocritical at worst.

 

Our communion wine is made from just grapes (nothing added and nothing taken away), as many wines are. You post shows that you have limited understanding of enology.

That is all.

 

It's a matter of local church preference, autonomy and soul liberty.

HankD

 

Alcohol consumption is not immoral- if that is true that someone taking Nyquil would be immoral. Drunkenness is immoral.

 

I have not said it is. You need to read the context of my post rather than get defensive.

 

Man, people really need to read my words instead of taking them out of context.

 

Here's the Southern Baptist North American Mission Board standard for church planters:

http://www.namb.net/self-assessment/

Furthermore:

 

I may have limited understanding in many things, but the post is accurate as well as this one.

The wines of the day are made by adding yeast. If the wine is "fermented" either the natural yeast has bittered the wine, or yeast has been added.

The "unleavened" is to be without added yeast. Because natural wheat has limited yeast and natural grape juice has limited yeast, that is the elements that are appropriate for the Lord's supper. It was never the case that natural occurring yeast was not in the unleavened bread and wine. It was that there was no ADDING of yeast to the mixtures.

Those who mingle intoxicants into the Lord's supper actually are bringing in some level of added yeast.

 

While I can appreciate this for whatever reason, is taking a part in Communion with barely a sip of wine considered "using alcohol"?

 

Look upon the Cross of Christ for the answer.

First sip - water with no intoxicant - accepted and enjoyed.

Send sip - water with intoxicant - spit out.



Would you drink the water from a pool if you knew it contained only one sip of bird leavings? :flower:

 

Immoral was the word YOU used to describe using wine in the Lord's Supper.

 

You would be surprised (and likely appalled) if you knew what is in the water you drink!

 

You have continued to rip that out of context.