POLL: Prophecy

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Interesting results:

Poll Results: POLL: Prophecy (49 votes.)

I believe in the pretribulation rapture of the Church.
Choose 1
YES. 55% (27)
No. 31% (15)
Don't know. 14% (7)

I believe the Nation of Israel of today is spoken of in End Time Prophecy.
Choose 1

Yes. 61% (30)
No. 24% (12)
Don't know. 14% (7)

There is a LITERAL 1000 year of Jesus upon this earth, ruling from Jerusalem.
Choose 1

Yes. 59% (29)
No. 27% (13)
Don't know. 14% (7)

I believe the Church will go thru the Great Tribulation.
Choose 1

Yes. 22% (11)
No. 63% (31)
Unsure either way. 14% (7)

Seven is the number of perfection.
Seven squared (7x7) equals 49, 48 votes have been cast.
Seven is the number of "Don't know" votes
for all four questions.
Twice seven is fourteen, the percentage
of "Don't know" votes for all four
questions. Ain't polls interestin'?

 

And you can put a $5 bill with that and buy you a Latte at Starbucks since that is all that statistic is worth.

In addition, your poll isn't scientific. So double

 

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Don't know
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Yes
Yes
Don't know.
That last question was a leading question and did not offer all the possibilities that could be answered.
I believe as James said. There will be MANY christians left behind because they rested on their laurels believing OSAS means once saved = garanteed ticket to dinner! NOT!
In HIS service;
Jim

 

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No
No
Yes

I am preterist, amillennialist, which understandably shapes my conception of these Biblical events.

I am not sure when the "Great Tribulation" occurs. Did it occur in the early century(ies) of Christianity or is it an event that has not yet taken place but will occur at end the of the "millennium" when Satan is once again allowed to deceive the "Gentiles" (Rev. 20:3)?

Looking over the Scriptures again my first impression is to interpret the "Great Tribulation" as having previously occurred. I believe Jesus in His Olivet Discourse is speaking of events that occurred during or soon after the first century AD. Glancing at the book of Revelation, and interpreting it in a preterist fashion, I notice that "tribulation" is mentioned primarily in the statements to the individual congregations in chapters 1-3. The only other mention of "tribulation" is in 7:14, which comes way before the end of the "millennium" and Satan's release in chapter 20.

But regardless, in all of these passages, whether one regards them as currently past or currently future, nothing is said about the church not being a part of the event. Jesus Himself says that the "Great Tribulation" is cut short for the sake of the elect (Matt. 24:22). Therefore, I must conclude that the church was or will be a part of the Great Tribulation.

 

Amen, Brother - I'm with you. Should the
Lord return in the next few dozen years
the present Nation of Israel will be noted
as having been formed in 1948.
Should the Lord tary a whole week
(6,000 years from 33AD which would be
6033AD) it will probably be noted that
this Nation of Israel of our time is not
the Israel of the Tribulation period.
So i don't know.
Otherwise i'm a pretribulation rapturist
and a premillinnial Second Advent of
Christ person.

Anleifr: //Jesus Himself says that the
"Great Tribulation" is cut short for
the sake of the elect (Matt. 24:22).//

IMHO the elect in this statement are the
elect in heaven raptured/resurrected at
the pretribualtion rapture/resurrection.
They are the ones who can most direcly
influence the timing of Jesus.

Anleifr speaking of the Tribulation Period event:
" ... nothing is said about the church
not being a part of the event."

There are mathematical systems where a negative times
a negative is a positive. There are mathematical
system where two negatives never make a positive.
This is not a mathematifcal statement so i have no
idea what the double negatives mean, maybe they
add together and make a stronger negative?

 

Jesus Christ foretolds us that we shall face tribulations according Mat. 24:9; John 16:33; and many other passages as what Paul and Peter told us. Church history proved us that, millions of Christians already suffered many tribulations, persecutions, killed throughout many centuries to today. There is no promise from the Bible that we shall escape from tribulations and persecutions. Why should Church suffering tribulations? Because Jesus Christ already suffered on the cross for us. So, therefore, we should follow Christ's example - 1 Peter 2:21; and 1 Peter 4:12-16.

Christ cannot come till we must go through much tribulations first - Acts 14:22 and Matt. 24:29-31.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

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YES
YES
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Raised Southern Baptist and still follow many of the beliefs.

 

Southern Baptists are not monolithic on eschatology. There is not a single eschatology that is the "Southern Baptist belief". A survey of Southern Baptist theological history will show that at various times since 1845 various eschatologies have been the consensus among Southern Baptists.

 

Any proof that those in modern Israel made up mostly of atheist and agnostics is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy?

 

Any proof that those in modern Israel made up mostly of atheist and agnostics is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy? </font>[/QUOTE]No.

You ready for the complex answer?
Usually there is no PROOF from history of
any Bible prophecy. The Bible is greater
than the history books. You cannot PROVE
stuff from the lessor to the greater.
So there is no way to PROVE any historical
event satisfies totally a specific
Bible prophecy.

Unfortunately for the posties, they
will not be able to PROVE that the antichrist
has come, for the reason i gave.
So they will argue back and forth about it
half-way through the Tribulation Day

 

Jeremiah 30:3
'For behold, days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will restore the fortunes of My people Israel and Judah.' The LORD says, 'I will also bring them back to the land that I gave to their forefathers and they shall possess it.' "

We are seeing this happen at the moment Israel are back in the land Christ himself spoke of this in the parable of Fig tree (the fig tree representing Israel in Mark13v28

there are many signs that look to Christs return
to the air to receive His church (the body of Christ) but we mustnt forget that the churh and Israel are seperate Israel has an earthly promise we have a heavenly calling to live and riegn with Christ.Something that is only given to those saved by Grace alone.
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I believe that the Bible says that Christ will return ONE TIME, not twice or three times. I also believe that the concept of the rapture is not significantly covered in the Bible to make it as significant an issue as most here seem to take it. What, it's alluded to in perhaps two verses. I'll bet snake handling is mentioned more often. I'll have to look at that.

 

StraightAndNarrow: " I also believe that the concept
of the rapture is not significantly covered in
the Bible to make it as significant an issue as
most here seem to take it. What, it's alluded
to in perhaps two verses. I'll bet snake handling
is mentioned more often. I'll have to look at that."

The "rapture" is mentioned only once in the
Bible at 1 Thessalonians 4:17 an then only in
the Latin version. The King James Versions
say "caught up" in the location where the
Latin version has "rapture".

(the three other uses of "caught up" in the KJVs
refer to people having visions of heaven)

I find only one obtuse reference to "snake handling":
Mar 16:18 (KJV1611): They shall take vp serpents,
and if they drinke any deadly thing,
it shall not hurt them, they shall lay
hands on the sicke, and they shall recouer.

So one rapture passage, one snake handling passage.

However, the pretribulation rapture/resurrection
of Jesus, the Christ, is known by many more terms
than rapture: the gathering, our gathering,
the Blessed Hope, the falling away /from earth/, etc.

Here are some Rapture description Passages:

Matthew 24:31-44
Mark 13
Luke 21
John 14:1-3
Romans 8:19
1 Corinthians 1:7-8, 15:51-53, 16:22
Philippians 3:20-21, 4:5
Colossians 3:4
1 Thessalonians 1:10, 2:19, 4:13-18, 5:9,23
2 Thessalonians 1:7, 2:1, 2:3
1 Timothy 6:14
2 Timothy 4:1,8
Hebrews 9:28
1 Peter 1:7,13, 5:4
1 John 2:28-3:2
Jude 1:21
Revelation 2:25

 

Any proof that those in modern Israel made up mostly of atheist and agnostics is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy? </font>[/QUOTE]You would prefer stiffnecked idolaters?

 

there is more Prophecy being fulfilled at this moment in time if we cant see that then we are not reading our bible properly either that or not receiving good teaching. The middle East -- The EU---the world government--the rise of the ecumenical movement which is bringing in one church, seen by christian leaders bowing to the Pope for one thing.Marriage a thing of the past *partner* being the new cool thing, Children being disobedient to parents (and thats a fact) morals being shoved out the window---homosexuality being taken for granted and even allowed in some churches to preach---wow thats a biggy---(AS in the days of Noah)!!! id say the flood is coming soon (rapture) when we read about Christ and the fig tree and NOT a generation will pass, id say He is at the door, so lift up your heads because your redemption is nigh, what a hope we have in Christ Jesus and the list goes on

 

Any proof that those in modern Israel made up mostly of atheist and agnostics is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy? </font>[/QUOTE]Only conjecture.

 

First, “rapture” and resurrection are two different events. Even the “lost” will be resurrected.
Second, the context of the discourse and both its original intended audience and its subsequent original literary audience makes the prospect that “the elect” refers to “raptured” believers as highly unlikely. We must ask ourselves who the “you” of the Matt 25:15-28 passage refers to. Does it not originally refer to the disciples and, by extension, the followers of Jesus, i.e. all believers?

Sorry about that. I’ll make myself clearer to you.

The Bible everywhere indicates that the church (i.e., believers, followers of Christ, saints, holy ones, the elect, Christians) will be a part of the “great tribulation.”