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As far as why they changed, I believe it to be a valid reason. Since Drinking Alcohol isn't a MUST do, it stands to reason that you can be right by either drinking it or not.Originally posted by LadyEagle:
So, basically, from the link you cited, Jamie, Baptists follow the traditions of men. And so do Catholics, Methodists, et al.![]()
What else do Baptists have wrong?
LE, the problem is the phrasing of the question. Does your church offer a choice. In the case of our church, there is no choice, it is real wine or nothing.Well, so far, out of the Baptists voting in the poll, 100% of the Baptists report that wine is not offered as a choice for communion service.
The question begs to be asked then, if it is true that most Baptists served real wine before prohibition (even though I've yet to see any sources proving that premise from historical Baptist documents), but IF that is true, and IF it is true that the early church served real wine & not grape juice, then we can only conclude that Baptist churches today are not true NT churches or they would be serving real wine. So, if Baptists don't have that right, what else do we have wrong?
Why are we following the traditions of men?
That's not a problem, it's intentional. To spin a story, you have to ask the right questions, didn't ya know...Originally posted by Jeff Weaver:
LE, the problem is the phrasing of the question.
I wrote this line so I wouldn't use that or any other wikipedia quote as "proof" of anything. However, it is a good resource for further research.Originally posted by natters:
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptist :
"The general Baptist embracing of the Temperance movement, prohibition, and teetotalism in the U.S. led to the practice of using non-alcoholic grape juice for the cup, but some Baptists do use wine."
Do research! Are you serious? My parents grew grapes for a living.Originally posted by partialrapture:
naters not if wine is also defined as an unfermented juice
do some research gb93433
its not hard to find at all...
May God bless
This is not only poor exegesis, but the very definition of eisegesis.Originally posted by gb93433:
Once Christians decided to abstain, they looked to the Bible to support their views. This, of course, is a poor method of biblical exegesis
This is not only poor exegesis, but the very definition of eisegesis. </font>[/QUOTE]That sort of thing happens al the time with prooftexters.Originally posted by Gold Dragon:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by gb93433:
Once Christians decided to abstain, they looked to the Bible to support their views. This, of course, is a poor method of biblical exegesis
LE, the problem is the phrasing of the question. Does your church offer a choice. In the case of our church, there is no choice, it is real wine or nothing.Originally posted by Jeff Weaver:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Well, so far, out of the Baptists voting in the poll, 100% of the Baptists report that wine is not offered as a choice for communion service.
The question begs to be asked then, if it is true that most Baptists served real wine before prohibition (even though I've yet to see any sources proving that premise from historical Baptist documents), but IF that is true, and IF it is true that the early church served real wine & not grape juice, then we can only conclude that Baptist churches today are not true NT churches or they would be serving real wine. So, if Baptists don't have that right, what else do we have wrong?
Why are we following the traditions of men?
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Originally posted by Jeff Weaver:
LE, the problem is the phrasing of the question.
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That's not a problem, it's intentional. To spin a story, you have to ask the right questions, didn't ya know...
Jamie
That's not a problem, it's intentional. To spin a story, you have to ask the right questions, didn't ya know...Originally posted by JamieinNH:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Jeff Weaver:
LE, the problem is the phrasing of the question.
I believe it was a fair assessment of the question. From you posts, I have seen that you are articulated enough to know how to phrase a question.Originally posted by LadyEagle:
That is an unfair accusation and rather snotty, IMO. If you don't like the poll, make your own, and I'll try not to make snotty, snide comments about your poll.
I didn't say I liked or disliked the results/poll. I have never had a steadfast opinion. I have stated that a church that serves wine or grape juice would be correct from a biblical stand point. So I am not sure you get where I disagree with a poll.Originally posted by LadyEagle:
Apparently you don't like the results of the poll that show Baptist churches don't offer a choice for wine in communion, so therefore, attack the poll. Sorry the results don't meet your expectations, hopes, and dreams.