Poll: Views on the Millennial Reign of Christ

People who have studied through the years know the difference as to what is to be taken literally and what should be understood as an expression of truth.

4. 'Eyes of fire'--Not literal but an expression of what it will be to enter His Presence and have Him look at you. He is awesome holiness beyond our imagination.

7. 'Sharp as a to edged sword' Not literal, but an expession of what His authority will do in Revelation 19:15,18. Perhaps the words of His mouth and authority will bring death to so many sinners at His Second Coming.

8. 'Rule with a rod of iron' Not literal. He will devour the wicked by His sovereign might. [Rev. 19:15 & Zechariah 14:18 ' . . . the Lord will smite the heathen.'

9. 'Winepress of His fury' Not literal. Like trudging in the winepress He will totally stamp out the wicked at the Second Coming.

As for me, I believe the rest of your references are to be taken literally. Even in 4,7,8,9 there is a truth to be understood behind the illustration of John's words.

Dr. Berrian

 

If plainly you mean literally, then yes, I am critical of that. But plainly means its plain meaning within genre and context.

Thank you. Your answer then is NO, the saints will not wear literal gowns of linen. The verse is figurative.

Thank you. Your answer then is NO, we will NOT sit at a table and eat a literal wedding dinner. The verse is figurative.

Thank you. Your answer then is NO, Christ will NOT appear on a literal white horse. The verse is figurative.

Thank you. Your answer then is NO, Christ will NOT have literal eyes of fire. The verse is figurative.

Thank you. Your answer then is NO, Christ' clothes be literally dipped in blood. The verse is figurative.

That was my point.

Thanks you ..well, you know the answer.

Thank you. Your answer then is NO, Christ will NOT a literal sharp sword in his mouth to strike down the nations. The verse is figurative.

And he already does.

Thank you. Your answer then is NO, Christ will NOT literally tread a winepress of the fury. The verse is figurative.

Thank you. Your answer then is NO, Christ will NOT have written on his robe and on his thigh a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. The verse is figurative.

If we agree all this is figurative, why then is 1000 years, not? How do you determine what is and what isn't?

Yes. Roman Catholicism and Islam, perhaps?

 

Interesting; I've considered the first, but never tho't of the second?!?! Interesting indeed in light of modern events!

 

jwp:

This is the historic protestant understanding. See http://www.historicism.org for resources.

 

Days of Vengence: An Exposition of the Book of Revelation by David Chilton

The entire massive volume is on-line for free at the above link. It is increasingly assigned reading in Graduate programs.

 

This one is always a stumper for "the things are getting worse and worse and will till Jesus comes and raptures us out" folks.

MT 13:33 He told them still another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into a large amount of flour until it was all leavened."

 

Why to people who do not believe in the Kingdom Age--the 1,000 year reign of Christ on the earth, for the most part, interpret the Old and New Testament literally, until they turn to that page named, Revelation.

This should cause thinking people to see an amber, caution light.

The reason in short . . . . can't fit it into my eschatology.

Ray

 

Perhaps you should look at how "yeast" (or "leaven", as it says in my Bible) is used in the rest of the Bible. I think you'll find it generally represents EVIL! You can't use this to "stump" those of us who think things will get worse; why, I think you've "hit your own wicket!"

So, what do I think it means? I think it means that the Kingdom truths will be distorted (e.g. Origen and Augustine teaching amillennialism), and that their perverted doctrine would grow and fill the whole church. Even now, I think that many "pre-mills" have missed the most important point (as taught by the Bible and the early church) - that not all
Christians are guaranteed entrance into the kingdom! (But then that's a WHOLE different argument!)

Your friend and brother,

Bartholomew

 

Bartholomew

I would love to hear (see) an expansion of this concept!

 

According to your view He is having a real hard time ruling the nations. Not too successful.

Ray

 

Perhaps you should look at how "yeast" (or "leaven", as it says in my Bible) is used in the rest of the Bible. I think you'll find it generally represents EVIL! </font>[/QUOTE]Amazing. Beyond belief. The kingdom of heaven is evil heresy and and corruption that will go all over until THE WHOLE kingdom is evil.

Wow. That is some view of the kingdom and its Christ that you have.

I would say it borders on blasphemy, but that you are probably just a more or less innocent caught up in your tradition.

 

Perhaps you should look at how "yeast" (or "leaven", as it says in my Bible) is used in the rest of the Bible. I think you'll find it generally represents EVIL! </font>[/QUOTE]Amazing. Beyond belief. The kingdom of heaven is evil heresy and and corruption that will go all over until THE WHOLE kingdom is evil.

Wow. That is some view of the kingdom and its Christ that you have.

I would say it borders on blasphemy, but that you are probably just a more or less innocent caught up in your tradition.</font>[/QUOTE]Typical. Just typical. I'm not here for a slanging match or throwing insults, but it looks like you are. Have you actually READ what I said? Why didn't you quote ALL my post??? What you wrote there is NOT what I believe, and NOBODY honestly reading what I wrote could possibly think so. Go back and read it ALL. And to claim I'm just holding to tradition!!!
Why don't you check a matter out before accusing me??? I was brought up a Calvinist Anglican, if you must know. I only came to believe premillennialism because I read it IN THE BIBLE. Why resort to name-calling? Is your argument SO devoid of scripture?

Your friend and brother,

Bartholomew

 

I would love to hear (see) an expansion of this concept! </font>[/QUOTE]Sure, as soon as I find time to write something that does it justice. But it might be worth starting a new topic about it, as it's an argument about WITHIN premillennialism, not over whether or not it's true. But if you're interested, there are some good articles about it at:

http://www.daveandangel.com/CRN/Kingdom/KJournalIndex.html

Your friend and brother,

Bartholomew

P.S. Sorry if I over-reacted to LP's post.
P.P.S. Who is Tim LaHaye, Dr. Bob?

 

Dear LP,

You wrote…

&lt;&lt;Amazing. Beyond belief. The kingdom of heaven is evil heresy and and corruption that will go all over until THE WHOLE kingdom is evil. &gt;&gt;

Will there not be that to some degree or another?

Matthew 13 which deals with the infiltration of the Kingdom (such as the parable of the wheat and the tares) with the children of the evil one ends with this fearful note:

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather
out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

HankD

[ March 08, 2002, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: HankD ]