Pop Quiz! - Impeccability of Christ

[Bill Brown]

Joe - let me say that while I disagree with your position I certainly understand it and it seems to be based on well thought on logic. I am sure we will agree much more than we will disagree. At least I hope so!

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

I am ok to agree to disagree.

As I read and study God's Word, I have yet to see where God did act contrary to his nature. I don't see anywhere in scripture, however, that says God cannot act in such a manner. If you could show me in Scripture where it says that, I would be more than happy to agree with Scripture. Let God be true and every man a liar...

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Bill Brown:
Joe - let me say that while I disagree with your position I certainly understand it and it seems to be based on well thought on logic. I am sure we will agree much more than we will disagree. At least I hope so!

I look forward to being unified in the truth of Scripture with all brothers and sisters in Christ. Thank you for the kind words.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Kilad]

How do we know what sin is? God told us.
So if God does it is it sin? No I don't believe so therefore it is impossible for God to sin and as a result impossible for Jesus to sin since Jesus is God incarnate.

Just my two cents that can be disregarded at will

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Nothing is impossible for God.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Bill Brown]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
Nothing is impossible for God.

Joseph Botwinick

To quote my favorite President, "Well, there you go again."

 

[Kilad]

Originally posted by Bill Brown:
To quote my favorite President, "Well, there you go again."

Ronald Reagan is also my favorite president.


2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Peter 2:22, 1 John 3:5 All tell us that Christ never sinned.

There is that better

 

[Bill Brown]

Originally posted by Kilad:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bill Brown:
To quote my favorite President, "Well, there you go again."

Ronald Reagan is also my favorite president.


2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Peter 2:22, 1 John 3:5 All tell us that Christ never sinned.

There is that better

</font>[/QUOTE]Not to steal Joe's thunder but He is not disagreeing the Jesus never sinner. He believes that God could sin if He wanted to. He believes God doesn't want to but He believes He has the power to do so. Joe and I are in disagreement on that issue. I believe God cannot sin.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Bill Brown:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Kilad:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Bill Brown:
To quote my favorite President, "Well, there you go again."

Ronald Reagan is also my favorite president.


2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Peter 2:22, 1 John 3:5 All tell us that Christ never sinned.

There is that better

</font>[/QUOTE]Not to steal Joe's thunder but He is not disagreeing the Jesus never sinner. He believes that God could sin if He wanted to. He believes God doesn't want to but He believes He has the power to do so. Joe and I are in disagreement on that issue. I believe God cannot sin. </font>[/QUOTE]Bill Brown has correctly stated my position. Ronald Reagan was my favorite president also. Of course, my favorite quote from his was, "Mr. Gorbachev. Tear Down this wall."

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Kilad]

Originally posted by Bill Brown:
Not to steal Joe's thunder but He is not disagreeing the Jesus never sinner. He believes that God could sin if He wanted to. He believes God doesn't want to but He believes He has the power to do so. Joe and I are in disagreement on that issue. I believe God cannot sin.

I agree with you that God cannot sin. I have been trying to find the passage where it says that God cannot be in the presence of sin. If anyone remembers the passage can you please post where it is located

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

I have seen that passage. It does not say, however, that God cannot sin. It is clear that God chooses not to sin.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Kilad]

For God to commit sin he would need to stop being God. God is so pure and Good that sin cannot be in his presence which is why sin separates us from him. 1 James 1:13 even says that God cannot be Tempted by sin

God may be able to sin if he gives up being God but since he is no longer God should that happen it doesn't apply that God can sin.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

The Gospels tell us that Jesus was tempted in the wilderness for 40 days. Was he or was he not tempted?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Kilad]

Ahh Matthew 4 when the devil tested Jesus. I assert that to be Tempted you must consider actually doing something. At no time did Jesus consider actually succumbing to the devils requests and therefore he wasn't tempted to sin. Jesus' heart was pure.


Great conversation btw, thank you

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Bill Brown:

Not to steal Joe's thunder but He is not disagreeing the Jesus never sinner. He believes that God could sin if He wanted to. He believes God doesn't want to but He believes He has the power to do so. Joe and I are in disagreement on that issue. I believe God cannot sin.

I agree with Bill. God cannot act against his nature. The statement that it is impossible for God to lie is saying he can't lie. To lie goes against his nature.

This is one of the differences between the biblical God and Allah, the god of Islam. The god of Islam is arbitrary -- he can do anything, including bad things, because he is seen as able to do anything. Whatever he does is good, because he's Allah. But for the Biblical God, whatever he does is good because he is a good God. There is a difference.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Show me from Scripture where it says that God is not completely omnipotent, and I will agree with Scripture. The difference between the one true God of Israel and Allah is that our God actually exist.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[rsr]

Omnipotence does not mean God can do things that are logically impossible.

 

[Karen]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
The Gospels tell us that Jesus was tempted in the wilderness for 40 days. Was he or was he not tempted?

Joseph Botwinick

Yes, but in His human nature, not as God.

Karen

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by rsr:
Omnipotence does not mean God can do things that are logically impossible.

You mean like heal lepers, raise people from the dead, and rise from the dead himself? I am thinking Omnipotence is not limited even by what we think is logically impossible. I think God is bigger than even that.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Karen:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
The Gospels tell us that Jesus was tempted in the wilderness for 40 days. Was he or was he not tempted?

Joseph Botwinick

Yes, but in His human nature, not as God.

Karen </font>[/QUOTE]This is curious thinking here. Was he not still God when he was in the wilderness? What are you saying here?

Joseph Botwinick