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Pope endorses civil unions for homosexuals

SGO

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,,, wanting everyone in the whole world to believe in a God that accepts (for God so loved the world) everyone no matter what acts they keep committing as long as they are Roman Catholic. And Protestants get ready because you cannot trust in the bible.
 

Quantrill

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,,, wanting everyone in the whole world to believe in a God that accepts (for God so loved the world) everyone no matter what acts they keep committing as long as they are Roman Catholic. And Protestants get ready because you cannot trust in the bible.

There are many Protestant churches just as guilty, concerning both homosexuals and the Bible.

I don't believe our fight is between Catholic and Protestant anymore. We will still have doctrinal differences but I don't see the Roman Church as the threat. It is between Christian and atheist's and secularism. It is the creation of a total secular society which sees religion, especially Christianity, a threat to them.

Quantrill
 

SGO

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There are many Protestant churches just as guilty, concerning both homosexuals and the Bible.

I don't believe our fight is between Catholic and Protestant anymore. We will still have doctrinal differences but I don't see the Roman Church as the threat. It is between Christian and atheist's and secularism. It is the creation of a total secular society which sees religion, especially Christianity, a threat to them.

Quantrill


It's secularists and a Pope united with them.
Church and state become one.
 
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Alex2165

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I am not surprise that pop said this and acknowledges same sex marriages. Considered the wide spread pedophilia in the Catholic church and cover up of such abomination, acknowledgement of gay marriages not worth a headline.

I think that many churches who allowed it to happen truly became Satanic churches. There is no middle ground in the issues of sexual abuse or same sex marriages. Whoever and whatever GOD condemned, as true Christians we cannot accept, otherwise we became like them. But in the case with the pop, GOD rejected homosexuality in all its forms, but pop and Catholic church accepted!

And while church clergy have their own excuses and explanations, they became Anti-Christ churches in full meaning of this word.

Matthew 12.30 (Luke 11.23)
30."He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me, scatters.

But it is not only a problem with the Catholic church, other denominations start switching to the same Anti-Christ mode. While ago I used to go to the Lutheran church, mainly to listen the pipe organ music which I like very much.

And one day I noticed above the entrance of the church the rainbow flag. So I went inside and asked one of the pastors of the church why they put this flag at the entrance?

He told me that church accept all people just like Jesus Christ accept all people and died for all. I told him that I do not mind if gays and transsexuals, and others of similar life style will come to the church in order to repent, confess, and to change, because Jesus Christ done the same for prostitutes and tax collectors who repented and regretted they deeds.

So I asked him again, "Do you and the church actually accept their life style, and them as they are?" And he said yes.

I stopped going to that church and even ask forgiveness from the Lord for attending their services, I feel that I defiled myself and shake hands with the people who are opposite of Christ. I do not deny my sins, I am also sinner, but I do not accept my sins and the sins of others, particularly of those people who do not repent and do not regret their sins, but live in them like is nothing wrong.

Now I also understand why government and some institution in US leaning more toward Islam, and many educational facilities in US actually teach Islam, sponsored by Saudi Arabia.

Because Christian values are not longer today compatible with the politics of the country, and Islam is certainly much better option because its values and teaching are completely different and not required high moral standards as the Christian values and teaching are.
 

utilyan

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Thanks! I really like your picture of the three crosses.

The RCC really teaches that only Catholics go to heaven.
Nonsense Catholics are often more accused of the exact opposite, being being too loose, They even believe Atheist and Buddhist even Muslims can go to heaven.
 

church mouse guy

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Nonsense Catholics are often more accused of the exact opposite, being being too loose, They even believe Atheist and Buddhist even Muslims can go to heaven.

Pope Benedict repeated the old RCC saying that there is no salvation outside the walls of the Catholic Church, a saying that everyone has heard. Pachamama!
 

Salty

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From Catholic Answers:
The two sentences are these: To come to God and be saved, you need to repent, have faith, and be baptized. If you commit mortal sin, you need to repent, have faith, and go to confession.

That’s it. That’s all there is to it. And we can show each of these things from the Bible.


Catholic Answers is a radio program. How to Go to Heaven

But on another Catholic page - Works ARE necessary
On the surface, these texts may sound problematic, but once we examine their respective contexts, the problems go away rather quickly. First, let’s take a look at the context surrounding Romans 3:28. St. Paul had already made very clear in Romans 2:6-7 that good works are necessary for eternal life, at least in one sense:
Are Good Works Necessary for Salvation?
 
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utilyan

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Pope Benedict repeated the old RCC saying that there is no salvation outside the walls of the Catholic Church, a saying that everyone has heard. Pachamama!

It is absolutely true there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. It is exactly equatable to saying no salvation outside Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the FIRST CATHOLIC.

Heaven is Catholic. That does not mean you cannot be saved unless you are Catholic. You will not find one instance where a Catholic can make the call that anyone is damned. Whether they are Judas or Hitler.

The Church is universal its just matter of fact Heaven is Catholic. Get used to being upset over the INCLUSIVITY we Catholics view our church.

For example we would still call you brothers and sisters in Christ, whereas there plenty of folk who say we are not even Christian.
 

utilyan

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From Catholic Answers:
The two sentences are these: To come to God and be saved, you need to repent, have faith, and be baptized. If you commit mortal sin, you need to repent, have faith, and go to confession.

That’s it. That’s all there is to it. And we can show each of these things from the Bible.


Catholic Answers is a radio program. How to Go to Heaven

But on another Catholic page - Works ARE necessary
On the surface, these texts may sound problematic, but once we examine their respective contexts, the problems go away rather quickly. First, let’s take a look at the context surrounding Romans 3:28. St. Paul had already made very clear in Romans 2:6-7 that good works are necessary for eternal life, at least in one sense:
Are Good Works Necessary for Salvation?

That is true but not restricted.

John 15
22“If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.

We take a way more lenient position so much so that WE Catholics believe we are more accountable and responsible for everyone else.

Even so that I have a responsibility and will be in more hot water for knowing the truth being Catholic then someone who is not.

Example if it were judgement day. You are going to hear more apologies from my not setting a better example rather than faulting you for not believing.

God knows the hearts of people, Jesus can save. God is not bound to any rule or law.

We have a high emphasis that the law written on your heart that you follow your good conscience EVEN if its leads against Catholicism, if it is sincere it is regarded honorable.


1777 Moral conscience,48 present at the heart of the person, enjoins him at the appropriate moment to do good and to avoid evil. It also judges particular choices, approving those that are good and denouncing those that are evil.49 It bears witness to the authority of truth in reference to the supreme Good to which the human person is drawn, and it welcomes the commandments. When he listens to his conscience, the prudent man can hear God speaking.

1782 Man has the right to act in conscience and in freedom so as personally to make moral decisions. "He must not be forced to act contrary to his conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his conscience, especially in religious matters."53

So if you are following sincerely your good conscience THAT IS following the direct command of God.
 

church mouse guy

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It is absolutely true there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. It is exactly equatable to saying no salvation outside Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is the FIRST CATHOLIC.

Heaven is Catholic. That does not mean you cannot be saved unless you are Catholic. You will not find one instance where a Catholic can make the call that anyone is damned. Whether they are Judas or Hitler.

The Church is universal its just matter of fact Heaven is Catholic. Get used to being upset over the INCLUSIVITY we Catholics view our church.

For example we would still call you brothers and sisters in Christ, whereas there plenty of folk who say we are not even Christian.

No, saying that there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church, which Catholics have said for hundreds of years, means that only Catholics go to heaven.

American Catholics are a minority in a Protestant country and so that is not so much taught but in all Catholic countries it is commonplace.
 

Hobie

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Pope Francis in a new documentary picked up his old song and dance from Argentina that homosexuals are the children of God and it is important that they are in the family of the Roman Catholic Church and so they should be allowed civil unions so they can remain Catholic.

Pope Francis supports law for same-sex civil unions in new documentary: ‘They are children of God’
As long as the Roman Catholic Church has control, it is ok, at least in there view as they consider the church above Gods Word.
 
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