Post election interview with Roy Moore. The People did not understand.

Disagreeing with Dale = being an athiest. Or, apparently, a Catholic...

 

Do you understand the difference between a law and a person?

Do you understand the difference between a written statement and a person?

Currently, my Toyota pickup hasn't taken a position on Christ... If I slap a "Christian" bumper sticker on my pickup, does that make it a Christian truck that will enter the eternal Kingdom of heaven?

 

I'm saying it is not a part of our official jurisprudence.

I don't know what that means. Christ saves individual persons, not nations.

We have a secular government. Not all citizens are Christian and our laws reflect that.

 

Not me. I've always been on Judge Moore's side and additionally, am for the 10C to be posted in every government building and school. It won't happen until the Millennium, though. Boy, some people are really going to fume then, probably.

 

I am quite certain that the Republican voters in Alabama knew what they were doing when they rejected Judge Moore's candidacy.

Personally, I have no problem in an area where the vast majority of people are Christians with Christian displays on government property.

Just as I have no problem in an area where the vast majority of people are Muslims, or Jews, etc., with displays on government property of their religions.

 

Ken, just when I was about to give up whether you and I would agree on anything, you come up with this. :thumbs:

 

A couple of problems with that are:

1. This is tatamount to a government sanctioning one religion over others.

2. The courthouse belongs to everyone, not just members of the majority religion. The courthouse is just as much the atheists', the Buddhists', the Sikhs', the Wiccans', the Ba'hais', and whomever elses' as it is the Baptists', the Methodists', the Lutherans' the Presbyterians', the Jews, and the Catholics'. The majority is not free to use the government of all of us to promote its views. That is what church is for. Government needs to be neutral vis-a-vis religion vs. religion; as well as neutral vis-a-vis religion vs. non-religion.

 

Thank you, that's what I hoped you meant. Unfortunately some prominent personalities here in times passed have accused me of being an atheist because of my church and state views.

It don't bother me to be on the same side as atheists, as long as I am on the side of Jesus.

I'd rather be sitting with Jesus in the middle of a banquet of sinners than lurk outside the door with the self-righteous Pharisees who were more concerned with what others might think about them.

Yep. Except that Christians who sided with Jesus (and by happenstance, "the atheists") have a biblical mandate to do so.

 

It's the old adage that even a broken clock is right twice a day. Guess that doesn't hold true for digital clocks, though.

 

I sided against the atheists in not wanting to have the monument removed as it was not a violation of the First Amendment, then sided with them in wanting to have Moore removed for disobeying a lawful order and thereby trashing his office as Chief Justice.

It has nothing to do with being "on the side of the atheists". I also sided with them in wanting the KKK shut down. Sometimes "they" get it right. The thing to realize is that on many issues "the atheists" aren't monolithic, they disagree over some issues, I'm sure. Respectfully, Dale, that is a red herring "argument".

 

I do not view a mere public display as "sanctioning" or "promoting" one religion over another.

I display a CSA flag in my study. In doing so I am by no means "sanctioning" or "promoting" the CSA over the USA.

 

Public display, no. Public display on public property, yes.

Your study is not a government venue.

I have no problem with Moore's monument if he put in in a churchyard or other non-governmental place of display.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

Ah man, how did I miss this party?

Dale, do you not believe that that nothing happens that God doesn't allow to happen or cause to happen as is His will?

Moore was voted down. If it were God's will that he be elected governer of Alabama, he would have won the primary. He lost. What does that say about God's will?

One thing you must learn as you go through this life as a Christian: to discern a wolf in sheep's clothing. Some of their disguises are very, very good, but they are wolves none the less. What really shows their true colors best is when they personally benefit from their so-called "Christian" stance.

Here in Alabama, EVERY SINGLE POLITICIAN IS A CHRISTIAN. You can't get elected if you can't point to active membership in one church or the other. We're not called the Bible Belt for no reason. This tends to make true Christians in this state very discerning, because we all know that every last politician in this state can't possibly be a Christian or we wouldn't have the issues going on that we have with a certain other gubernatorial candidate who also lost in the primary.

Now I will temper the above with this: I do not question the salvation of any man. That is between him and God. But I may question his sincerty based upon how he acts within his life. I will certainly question his politics and his platform should he choose to run for office.

The fact of a man's salvation, does not automatically make him fit for public office.

 

How can a state acknowledge God? A state is not a being with the ability to do so. A state is a legal framework. Who is the state and how does a state acknowledge God?

BTW, what is the "idol" of which you speak?


The people of Alabama totally understood what they were doing, they rejected a political grand-stander. Judge Moore just didn't understand that the people of Alabama were too politically astute to fall for his game.

 

Where did anyone here "worship the state?" Where does God's law say that we have to display a block of granite with the Ten Commandments?

And with all due respect I think you and Judge Moore are mistaken when you claim the people of Alabama didn't understand. The people of the grat state of Alabama understood exactly what they were doing.

Moore gambled on Alabamians falling for his political grandstanding and he lost. It is that simple. There is nothing Christian or unchristian, biblical or unblibical about it. There is nothing to doing with supporting the atheists or supporting God. Its about seeing through a man's personal agenda and political plotting.

I am very proud of my state for doing so.

 

Dale,

I definitely agree with the first statement, but disagree with the second. If I am certain about what I believe and why I accept that someone else may agree with me for a different reason, though it does inspire my curiosity as to the reason for the other person's agreement, especially if I know they hold a different worldview.