postmill study

[Iconoclast]

Found this online....
http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/e...erican-postmillennialism-by-kim-riddlebarger/

 

[convicted1]

Found this online....
http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/e...erican-postmillennialism-by-kim-riddlebarger/

The problem(s) I have with any of the pre-, mid-, post- stance(s) is that they all have a literal reign of Christ here on earth. When Jesus comes in the cloud, He will not step foot on this earth again. In fact, this earth will burned up.

2 Pet. 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, [/U]wherein dwelleth righteousness.[/U]

Now, here is where we will dwell:

Rev. 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

When Jesus comes to seperate the Sheeps and Goats, it's all over but the shouting for the Saints!!

 

[thomas15]

While Riddlebarger in his book A Case for Amillennialism (2003 Baker/IVP) spends most of his ink on trying to discredit dispensationalism, he shows himself to be no friend of postmillennialism and preterism, for some examples see pg 94-99.

The main feature of the above mentioned book, as I suggest is that instead of making a case for one thing (amillennialism), he spends an enormous amount of time discrediting another thing (dispensationalism). Question: who is a better car salesman, the salesman who talkes about the good qualities of the car he is selling or the salesman who talkes about the negatives of the car he isn't selling?

 

[Iconoclast]

While Riddlebarger in his book A Case for Amillennialism (2003 Baker/IVP) spends most of his ink on trying to discredit dispensationalism, he shows himself to be no friend of postmillennialism and preterism, for some examples see pg 94-99.

The main feature of the above mentioned book, as I suggest is that instead of making a case for one thing (amillennialism), he spends an enormous amount of time discrediting another thing (dispensationalism). Question: who is a better car salesman, the salesman who talkes about the good qualities of the car he is selling or the salesman who talkes about the negatives of the car he isn't selling?

here is some of his sermons on amill
http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.a...ction=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Kim^Riddlebarger

 

[J.D.]

Ecclesiologically speaking, there's basically no difference between post and a- mil. The only difference is the "Post Millennial Hope", the victory of the Church in the world. Now this has deeper implications, such as whether the return of Christ is imminent or not. In the Post Mill schema, the consummation cannot be imminent given the current predominance of paganism and atheism in the world. However, in the amil view, the Church has no victory to expect, and so the Lord could return at any time.

 

[thomas15]

here is some of his sermons on amill
http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.a...ction=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Kim^Riddlebarger

I have read the previously mentioned book three times cover to cover and certain chapters at least twice as many times. I have a notebook full of thoughts and checks of his footnotes. My copy of the book is literally falling apart due to use. I have many of his cited references in my personal library and consult them to fact check. With this information in mind for what possible reason would you recommend that I listen to any of his sermons on-line?

Another question: what book by a dispensationalist theologian have you studied at least half as much as the effort I claim to put into Riddlebarger? Riddlebarger, who claims to be a one-time dispie, shows in his book a clear misunderstanding of dispensational teaching, not unlike that of the foes of the system on this board.

 

[Iconoclast]

Ecclesiologically speaking, there's basically no difference between post and a- mil. The only difference is the "Post Millennial Hope", the victory of the Church in the world. Now this has deeper implications, such as whether the return of Christ is imminent or not. In the Post Mill schema, the consummation cannot be imminent given the current predominance of paganism and atheism in the world. However, in the amil view, the Church has no victory to expect, and so the Lord could return at any time.

JD,
That is why I find myself in between the two positions. I cannot quite get a handle on some of it. I like how the postmill writers draw from scripture that we are to be very active here and now working for the conversion of souls,while the other views say they do the same, yet I sometimes detect the turtle in the shell mentality. Just try and hang on till Jesus rescues us.
We are to occupy till he comes. Not just in our homes, church,or homeschool, but every area of life. Some who just reject postmillenial thought outright probably have not read any of these men.