Prayers To Mary

[DHK]

You'll see that the " Cardinal Hosius " scam is pretty much all they have - that's why they continually bring it up.

WM

Do your research WM; do your research. And for once in your life look at other evidence besides that which is RCC.

 

[WestminsterMan]

Do your research WM; do your research. And for once in your life look at other evidence besides that which is RCC.

I've done the research... and the result is not what want it to be. Further, that is the only so called document that you can provide. If the Baptists existed as far back as the minority believes there should tons of their writings in existence. There isn't, so they didn't.

WM

 

[DHK]

I've done the research... and the result is not what want it to be. Further, that is the only so called document that you can provide. If the Baptists existed as far back as the minority believes there should tons of their writings in existence. There isn't, so they didn't.

WM

And there never will be. Like the Albigenses their history was written in blood. They faced persecution from Domitian and succeeding Roman rulers, as well as religious leaders as the RCC. Their writings were burned.

If you remember Pope Innocent III was "kind enough" to order a Crusade against the peace-loving and godly Albigenses. He wiped them out. He burned their Bibles, and their writings. He was the one of the great Islamic leaders of today, so to speak. Genocide meant nothing to him. How would you expect their history to survive. You want first hand documents from such people but we only get sources from their enemies and for good reason. We have a trail written in blood. No wonder so many on this board think that the beast, the woman of Rev.17 is the RCC!

 

[WestminsterMan]

And there never will be. Like the Albigenses their history was written in blood. They faced persecution from Domitian and succeeding Roman rulers, as well as religious leaders as the RCC. Their writings were burned.

If you remember Pope Innocent III was "kind enough" to order a Crusade against the peace-loving and godly Albigenses. He wiped them out. He burned their Bibles, and their writings. He was the one of the great Islamic leaders of today, so to speak. Genocide meant nothing to him. How would you expect their history to survive. You want first hand documents from such people but we only get sources from their enemies and for good reason. We have a trail written in blood. No wonder so many on this board think that the beast, the woman of Rev.17 is the RCC!

Oh... That's just a little toooo convenient there DHK.

WM

 

[DHK]

Oh... That's just a little toooo convenient there DHK.

WM

Too convenient? I have studied the history of Innocent III from two different sources: the sanitized RCC source, which is not fit to be published, and other objective sources. I challenge you to study what this man did from sources totally unrelated to the Catholic Church.

 

[WestminsterMan]

Too convenient? I have studied the history of Innocent III from two different sources: the sanitized RCC source, which is not fit to be published, and other objective sources. I challenge you to study what this man did from sources totally unrelated to the Catholic Church.

What I mean is that there are no documents that would validate your position. It is a little too convenient to claim that the reason no documents exist is that the Catholic Church destroyed term all. That is way too convenient.

WM

 

[DHK]

What I mean is that there are no documents that would validate your position. It is a little too convenient to claim that the reason no documents exist is that the Catholic Church destroyed term all. That is way too convenient.

WM

That answers your question (or perhaps it was someone else's) why there are a lot of second hand sources, but difficult to find the actual source document (especially online).

 

[Alive in Christ]

This is a Catholic prayer to Mary. Does this sound like a prayer anyone should say to Mary instead of Jesus?

http://www.catholicdoors.com/prayers/english/p00290.htm

PRAYER TO
OUR LADY OF PERPETUAL HELP # 7


Behold, O Mother of Perpetual Help,
at thy feet a wretched sinner,
who has recourse to thee and trusts in thee.
O Mother of mercy, have pity on me;
I hear all men call thee the refuge and hope of sinners:
be therefore my refuge and my hope.
Help me for the love of Jesus Christ:
hold out thy hand to a fallen wretch,
who commends himself to thee
and dedicates himself to be thy servant forever.
I praise and thank God,
who of His great mercy
hath given me this confidence in thee,
a sure pledge of my eternal salvation.
Alas, it is only too true
that in the past I have fallen miserably,
because I did not come to thee.
I know that with thy help I shall conquer;
I know that thou wilt help me,
if I commend myself to thee;
but I am fearful lest in the occasions of sin
I shall forget to call upon thee
and so I shall be lost.
This grace, then, do I ask of thee;
for this I implore thee,
as much as I can and know how to do;
namely, that in the assaults of hell
I may ever run to thy protection
and may say to thee:
Mary, help me;
Mother of Perpetual Help,
permit me not to lose my God.

Say the Hail Mary here...


O Mother of Perpetual Help,
grant me ever to be able to call upon thy powerful name,
since thy name is the help of the living
and the salvation of the dying.
Ah, Mary most pure,
Mary most sweet,
grant that thy name from this day forth
may be to me the very breath of life.
Dear Lady, delay not to come to my assistance
whenever I call upon thee;
for in all the temptations that assail me,
in all the necessities that befall me,
I will never leave off calling upon thee,
ever repeating: Mary, Mary.
What comfort, what sweetness,
what confidence, what tenderness fills my soul
at the sound of thy name,
at the very thought of thee!
I give thanks to our Lord,
who for my sake hath given thee a name so sweet,
so lovable, so mighty.
But I am not content merely to speak thy name;
I would utter it for very love of thee;
it is my desire that love
should ever remind me to name thee,
Mother of Perpetual Help.

Say the Hail Mary here...


O Mother of Perpetual Help,
thou art the dispenser of every grace
that God grants us in our misery;
it is for this cause that He hath made thee so powerful,
so rich, so kind,
that thou mightest assist us in our miseries.
Thou art the advocate of the most wretched
and abandoned sinners,
if they but come unto thee;
come once more to my assistance,
for I commend myself to thee.
In thy hands I place my eternal salvation;
to thee I entrust my soul.
Enroll me among thy most faithful servants;
take me under thy protection
and it is enough for me: yes,
for if thou protect me,
I shall fear nothing; not my sins,
for thou wilt obtain for me their pardon and remission;
not the evil spirits,
for thou art mightier than all the powers of hell;
not even Jesus, my Judge,
for He is appeased by a single prayer from thee.
I fear only that through my own negligence
I may forget to recommend myself to thee
and so I shall be lost.
My dear Lady,
obtain for me the forgiveness of my sins,
love for Jesus,
final perseverance
and the grace to have recourse to thee at all times,
O Mother of Perpetual Help.

Say the Hail Mary here...

That *prayer* is pure idolatry, plain and simple. The goddess is being worsipped yet again.

 

[WestminsterMan]

That *prayer* is pure idolatry, plain and simple. The goddess is being worsipped yet again.

I worship the banjo... The flailing banjo.

WM

 

[DHK]

I worship the banjo... The flailing banjo.

WM

I hope it is a beautiful banjo. How does it help you get to heaven?

 

[WestminsterMan]

I hope it is a beautiful banjo. How does it help you get to heaven?

It's a banjo joke.

WM

 

[Alive in Christ]

I worship the banjo... The flailing banjo.

WM

Do you really play the banjo? If so, we need to get together and pick! :thumbs:

 

[WestminsterMan]

Do you really play the banjo? If so, we need to get together and pick! :thumbs:

Not a banjo picker. Play guitar though.

WM

 

[thomas15]

WM,

You should thank your heavenly father that you live in 21st century USA! If you lived in say 13th century Europe you probably would be Roman Catholic, but it's not that you would have any choice in the matter!

 

[Moriah]

WM,

You should thank your heavenly father that you live in 21st century USA! If you lived in say 13th century Europe you probably would be Roman Catholic, but it's not that you would have any choice in the matter!

Really, maybe if he lived in the 1300’s he would have an excuse for his false beliefs. Bibles were not as common, and torture and killing kept many from questioning the Catholics.

 

[WestminsterMan]

WM,

You should thank your heavenly father that you live in 21st century USA!

We should all thank the Catholic Church, for it was they who built Western Civilization. As to the USA, well - many of the founding fathers were deists and masons.

If you lived in say 13th century Europe you probably would be Roman Catholic, but it's not that you would have any choice in the matter!

I agree. Unless one was a Budist or part of Islam, the RCC was the one and only Church.

WM

 

[WestminsterMan]

Really, maybe if he lived in the 1300’s he would have an excuse for his false beliefs. Bibles were not as common, and torture and killing kept many from questioning the Catholics.

Are you able to demonstrate any intellectual rigor, or do you simply accuse others in order to obfuscate your obvious short comings in that area? Look - you can accuse me of false beliefs, idolatry, [fill in the blank], but in the end it will be Jesus, and NOT Moriah who will be my judge. So spout on and continue flailing away at the keyboard if that is your desire. I can only assume that by doing so, you don’t mind looking ridiculous.


P.s. The 13th century addressed in the post to which you replied above is not the 1300's - its the 1200's.
WM

 

[DHK]

P.s. The 13th century addressed in the post to which you replied above is not the 1300's - its the 1200's.
WM

I can't be sure, but perhaps he was thinking of 1452, when the Guttenberg Bible was the first Bible to be published. It was the date of the invention of the printing press. From that time onward Bibles became more common.

 

[thomas15]

Are you able to demonstrate any intellectual rigor, or do you simply accuse others in order to obfuscate your obvious short comings in that area? Look - you can accuse me of false beliefs, idolatry, [fill in the blank], but in the end it will be Jesus, and NOT Moriah who will be my judge. So spout on and continue flailing away at the keyboard if that is your desire. I can only assume that by doing so, you don’t mind looking ridiculous.

WM

Question? Are you able to post while maintaining a straight face?

 

[Moriah]

Question? Are you able to post while maintaining a straight face?

Now this made me smile. Thanks for this. Thanks for putting his comment in the proper perspective.