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Praying for the dead... ???

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Cathode

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GodisgraciousR325 said:
Those who want to go to kingdom of heaven have to forgive others, don't deny Jesus and do rest.

My stance still stand
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There are many like you, they have to see it before they believe it. No warning sent to them will they believe.
Not Scripture because they simply interpret it how they want.
Not the ancient Fathers, they rejected them long ago.
Not people who directly witness it.

What do you say to people who ignore your warnings, you have seen them ignore the warning signs posted, then they duck under the hazard tape. Then you stand chest to chest with them trying tell them out of concern for them, and still they ignore everything said and obstinately push by, mocking you the whole time.

“My stance still stand” they say.

You need to stop. And Listen. There is no satisfaction in people finding out the hard way, Purgatory is real, it’s the worst way of restitution.

Every day we pray for the Holy Souls in Purgatory, they are there by the measure they measured, Jesus doesn’t want them there.

Measure here and now your restitution like Zacchaeus, give half back, and pay back 4 times over.

Then pay the debts of the ignorant, then waive what others owe you.

How far behind is the guy who is ignorant of the debts he owes others. He is meant to not only make just restitution for his own debts, in Love he is meant to seek to free his own debtors and the debts of many others.

It’s like street ministry, I’m only sent the hardest last chance cases.
 
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GodisgraciousR325

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Cathode said:
There are many like you, they have to see it before they believe it. No warning sent to them will they believe.
Not Scripture because they simply interpret it how they want.
Not the ancient Fathers, they rejected them long ago.
Not people who directly witness it.

What do you say to people who ignore your warnings, you have seen them ignore the warning signs posted, then they duck under the hazard tape. Then you stand chest to chest with them trying tell them out of concern for them, and still they ignore everything said and obstinately push by, mocking you the whole time.

“My stance still stand” they say.

You need to stop. And Listen. There is no satisfaction in people finding out the hard way, Purgatory is real, it’s the worst way of restitution.

Every day we pray for the Holy Souls in Purgatory, they are there by the measure they measured, Jesus doesn’t want them there.

Measure here and now your restitution like Zacchaeus, give half back, and pay back 4 times over.

Then pay the debts of the ignorant, then waive what others owe you.

How far behind is the guy who is ignorant of the debts he owes others. He is meant to not only make just restitution for his own debts, in Love he is meant to seek to free his own debtors and the debts of many others.

It’s like street ministry, I’m only sent the hardest last chance cases.
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That made no sense
 
GodisgraciousR325

GodisgraciousR325

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Cathode said:
We are talking from different levels of understanding.

You are indoctrinated in an unapostolic interpretation of scripture which is human tradition of men.
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Dear Cathode,

I do not follow any man anymore for understanding the Bible, I read from the scripture and the scripture doth clearly state my point.

God forgive the servant, since he worshipped and it was by his grace.
 
GodisgraciousR325

GodisgraciousR325

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Actually, I did get that from a commentory, though it still supports the idea of not purgatory.

This parable was to show the king which is God would look our debts (our sins) and see we needed to pay them all.

In the gspel of the kingdom, losing salvation is possible, they must not deny the Lord Jesus Christ before men, they must forgive each other, I will show mercy to whom shown mercy, if we forgive others, we lose them, as another parable talk about.

This is about how in that dispensation before age of grace, how they needed to forgive others or God won't forgive us, this is also shewn in the Lord's Prayer.

The other way to see it is he was saved by Grace of God, but he would still needed to pay the debt since the wages of sin is death.
 
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Cathode

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GodisgraciousR325 said:
Actually, I took it from the scripture it self and it literally talked about Paul being the minister, enduring to preach the gospel.
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Every Bible aloner says he took it from Scripture itself, but they all interpret it conflicting with the other.

Inspired scripture needs inspired interpretation.

All the conflicting interpretations and doctrines in bible alonism means they don’t have inspired interpretation.

If they did have inspired interpretations of Scripture, they would be one in interpretation, doctrines and fellowship after reading the Bible. They aren’t. Everyone of them has their own methodology for interpreting scripture, but these methodologies are all human founded traditions of men.
 
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Cathode

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GodisgraciousR325 said:
Yes, I have inspired scripture and still haven't convinced me the understanding I have is wrong.
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A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.

We all have the inspired scripture, but we don’t all have is the inspired interpretation of that scripture.

I say I’m Catholic, instantly you know what I believe.

You say you are a Bible alone believer, I don’t know what the hell you believe.
 
GodisgraciousR325

GodisgraciousR325

Member
Cathode said:
A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.

We all have the inspired scripture, but we don’t all have is the inspired interpretation of that scripture.

I say I’m Catholic, instantly you know what I believe.

You say you are a Bible alone believer, I don’t know what the hell you believe.
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Do not use hell like that, yes, I know what you guys believe and its very sad.

Anyways, there is no point of repeating what I said, I will pray that wilt find the truth by God's grace.
 
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TheOneWhoLives

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Cathode said:
We all have the inspired scripture, but we don’t all have is the inspired interpretation of that scripture.
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Catechism 105 - God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Catholics and Protestants agree that scripture is the Word of God. The only difference between you and me is that I go to the Word of God as my final authority. You'd rather go to pagan philosophers as your final authority.

Luke 24:45 - Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures

Only the Holy Spirit can guide a person to the proper understanding, not men.
 
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JesusFan

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TheOneWhoLives said:
Catechism 105 - God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

Catholics and Protestants agree that scripture is the Word of God. The only difference between you and me is that I go to the Word of God as my final authority. You'd rather go to pagan philosophers as your final authority.

Luke 24:45 - Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures

Only the Holy Spirit can guide a person to the proper understanding, not men.
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Catholics go to their Pope and to their church traditions as final authority
 
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