Pre-millers: Support Israel = Support the Gaza Pullout?

[Joseph_Botwinick]

The prediction came amid more polling evidence that Mr Netanyahu outstrips Mr Sharon among Likud members - a majority of whom opposed disengagement in a party referendum in May last year - while Mr Sharon is far more popular than his rival among the Israeli electorate at large.
The poll in yesterday's Yedioth Ahronot showed that, among registered Likud members, Mr Netanyahu is the preferred leader of 42 per cent over Mr Sharon at 35 per cent. Most estimates assume that Mr Netanyahu currently scores even higher among the activists on the Likud Central Committee who will choose the leader.

But when all voters are asked whom they prefer as Prime Minister, 24 per cent said Mr Sharon with only 16 per cent opting for Mr Netanyahu. Public rejection of Mr Netanyahu's unashamed pitch to the hard-right is further underlined by a finding that, in the absence of Mr Sharon, the voters would prefer the octogenarian Labour leader Shimon Peres as Prime Minister to Mr Netanyahu. The poll also shows a clear majority of Israelis - 54 per cent - favour further dismantling of settlements in the occupied West Bank, compared with 42 per cent who do not.

My question is this: Since the Israeli Government and the majority of Israeli people support the Gaza Pullout, shouldn't pre-millers go ahead and support Israel by supporting the pullout as well?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

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[Trotter]

I don't agree with the pull-out, but I see the thinking behind it...

Once the Palastinians have their own land, any and all attacks or terrorist activities can be venganced upon them quite swiftly.

And Israel has taken the land before... If push came to shove, they can do it again. All the while removing a thorn from their side...

In Christ,
Trotter

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Don't you support Israel?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Gregory Perry Sr.]

I support Israel even though I sometimes disagree with some of the political moves they make(just like I do when our own government does stupid things).While I see the reasoning behind Mr.Sharons pull-out strategy,I believe it is based on the false hope and misguided premise that the palestinians really do want to forge an honorable peace with the nation of Israel.The stated goal of most of the extreme Islamic groups that operate within the palestinian territories is STILL to annihilate the Jews and push Israel into the sea.They don't want peace...they want to finish what Hitler tried to do.....anybody reasonable would be BLIND not to see that.It is also true that there are probably many honorable non-extremist palestinians that don't think like that and would like to see an honorable peace.Unfortunately...the radical extremists will never placidly surrender their twisted Ideology OR their weapons.There will be no lasting peace in the Middle East until the Lord Jesus Christ returns to rule and reign.As Christians we SHOULD pray for the "peace of Jerusalem".In effect though that means we are praying for the Lord's soon coming.As to what is going on there right now we need only look at history for confirmation of what is going on.Israel must(as it has always had to do)FIGHT for its own survival.Sadly though...inspite of all our education and "enlightenment" it seems that the only thing we learn from history...is that we never seem to learn from history.Go figure....!

Greg Sr.

 

[Michael Hobbs]

Joel 3:2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

Just a little more prophecy being fulfilled?

 

[Marcia]

I'm premill but that does not mean I support the civil government of Israel. I support God's promises to Israel, not necessarily what Israel does.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

So, pre-millers don't have to support Israel? I will keep that in mind? Or, do they only have to support Israel when they do what the pre-millers want them to do to fullfill their role in the pre-mil master plan?

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Gold Dragon]

I am neither pre, post or amillenial and I support Israel's Gaza pullout because it is a move towards peace in the region.

God's plan for the end times will happen whether it is according to our interpreted timetables/sequence of events or not and will not be hindered by anything man can do.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Gold Dragon:
I am neither pre, post or amillenial and I support Israel's Gaza pullout because it is a move towards peace in the region.

Personally,

I hope you're right. But, right now, that is a debatable assumption until we see if Abbas will actually do more than talk, and actually take action against the terrorists amongst his people. Only then can we honestly say anything Israel has done over the last decade or two is a move towards peace. IOW, Israel has time and again moved toward peace only to be attacked in yet another intifada. Those who opposed the pullout will have a very valid point if the terrorists are not stopped soon, just like what happened at the Oslo accords.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
So, pre-millers don't have to support Israel? I will keep that in mind? Or, do they only have to support Israel when they do what the pre-millers want them to do to fullfill their role in the pre-mil master plan?

Joseph Botwinick

Joseph, I don't think premillers "have" to do anything in re to Israel. Who's telling them to support or not support Israel? Your question makes it sound like all premill people are on the same page and some premill guru is telling them what to think.

I don't understand your thinking that premillers are thinking they have a role in the endtime plan. God is in charge and things will go his way.

 

[Gold Dragon]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
I hope you're right. But, right now, that is a debatable assumption until we see if Abbas will actually do more than talk, and actually take action against the terrorists amongst his people. Only then can we honestly say anything Israel has done over the last decade or two is a move towards peace.

Call me an optimist.

I agree that the ball is in Abbas' court. But even if the PA fails, it was still worth the effort to continually show that Israel is sincere and willing to work for peace in good faith.

The pullout is also worth the effort because it enabled the right to separate itself more from the extreme right in Israeli politics, something that has to happen on both sides for peace to happen in the region.

 

[Plain Old Bill]

Joe,
I read your post and decided to wait until some other folks made some entries.
Now as a pre-triber I generally support Isreal but that does'nt mean I have to be in lockstep agreement with her especially politically.I pray for the peace of Israel,I pray for the safety and prosperity of the people of Israel,but most of all I pray that Israel will get right with God and fulfill her purpose. That is my view on how us pre-tribers are supposed to support Israel.
I thought your question was a set-up.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

You're right. It was a setup.

I also, pray they will get right with God and that God will save them. When you talk about Israel's purpose, to what are you referring to? The great commission? Just curious.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[webdog]

I am neither pre, post or amillenial and I support Israel's Gaza pullout because it is a move towards peace in the region.

There will never be peace in that region. If you know anything about islam, they believe all jews and christians should die, and this will not change util the Lord returns. I disagree with the pullout. That is the land that was promised to them in the OT and they should not have given it up.

 

[superdave]

It is my contention that the government of Israel was happy the pullout was so contentious and caused great difficulty for them.. that way when the bombers start up again,( oh wait, they already did.) They can tell all the hand-wringers in the U.S. Congress that they cannot possible do more to appease the radical islamic terrorists that are using the "Palestinian Cause" as an excuse to kill Jews, and all other infidels. But I'm cynical like that about governments.

As far as God's plan, well, that does not depend on the actions of man, so I just view it as an example of the things that we have been told will come to pass in the last days. Even so come quickly Lord Jesus.

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by webdog:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> I am neither pre, post or amillenial and I support Israel's Gaza pullout because it is a move towards peace in the region.

There will never be peace in that region. If you know anything about islam, they believe all jews and christians should die, and this will not change util the Lord returns. I disagree with the pullout. That is the land that was promised to them in the OT and they should not have given it up. </font>[/QUOTE]Not all Muslims believe this.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[ituttut]

Originally posted by Marcia:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
So, pre-millers don't have to support Israel? I will keep that in mind? Or, do they only have to support Israel when they do what the pre-millers want them to do to fullfill their role in the pre-mil master plan?

Joseph Botwinick

Joseph, I don't think premillers "have" to do anything in re to Israel. Who's telling them to support or not support Israel? Your question makes it sound like all premill people are on the same page and some premill guru is telling them what to think.

I don't understand your thinking that premillers are thinking they have a role in the endtime plan. God is in charge and things will go his way. </font>[/QUOTE]Great understanding Marcia

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Originally posted by Joseph_Botwinick:
When you talk about Israel's purpose, to what are you referring to? The great commission? Just curious.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[just-want-peace]

satan asked God for permission to test Job. Permission was granted with restrictions. When Job proved (unbeknownst to Job) his fidelity to God, satan decided that the first test was not strong enough.

This is the way he (satan) works; he tends to change the rules in the middle of the game when he's losing.

So in Israel. All the Palistinians wanted was a land of their own; now that they have it, what are the rules going to be?

I would not reccommend anyone holding their breath in anticipation of any lasting peace in the region save for the Anti-Christ to come on the scene real quick! ('Course we know how that scene plays out, don't we?)