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The comment was not meant to be caustic, and I apologize if it came across that way.
So your defense is not Scripture but what unbelievers are promoting. Pitiful.
You have no Scriptural authority to say that. Your statement is in direct contradiction of the words of Christ Jesus in Acts 1:7: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by His own authority."
I don't know of many places on the net that I would recommend for this. I don't use the theological sites much on here. They are for the most part worthless for serious study, IMHO.
1 Thess 4:13-17; 2 Thess 2 to start with. The apocalyptic passages in Matthew coincide perfectly with a pretrib position as well. This is demonstrated in a number of places.Originally posted by BrianT:
Can you list a few? I don't believe in pretrib, and I don't know of any passages that don't make sense to me.
Chris and I agreed that no other places mentions a thousand year period. Read more closely
This is most interesting. Since the earth is destroyed in 2 Peter 3:10-11 when Christ returns (according to Chris), which earth will he reign over? We agree there is an everlasting kingdom. However, we believe that you have simply jumped over some very important passages that describe the King ruling over Israel on this earth prior to its destruction.
Here's your answer:
Yep. It is interesting how some people today will say, "He is coming soon." And it is interesting how the original words were penned to the original readers about 2000 years ago. Obviously, these people today use of the phrases and the words do not match up with the Biblical usages of the terms. If Christ doesn't return for another 10,000 years that will still be "soon" in God's sight. 10,000 years are as nothing compared to eternity.
Well, Bro I usually agree with your political views but on this I have to part company.
These aren't my political views. But it is Biblical prophecy being fulfilled in our life time! The Quote above I gave from the Temple web site is Ezekiel, which these modern day Jews stated above. Don't know if it is in Talmud.
And it will happen. Jews don't believe Jesus Christ was the Messiah. And they do plan to offer sacrifices in the rebuilt temple which is why they have been seeking to produce a perfect spotless red heifer (which was finally born and declared "kosher" by the rabbis a couple of months ago...see my previous red heifer thread).
Because if it was that clear, we wouldn't have a gazillion different interpretations about eschatology in general and on the book of Revelation in particular.
However, I am listening & watching prophetic events unfold all around, practically as daily headlines for the first time in my life! My generation shall not pass away until all these things come to pass, Jesus said. And I was born in 1949, the year after Israel officially became a Nation again, as was prophesied.
Which part of the above verses leads you to believe that this is at the Rapture. No one believes that. You have attacked a view that nobody holds. This passages probably refers to Rev 20:11 where the heavens and earth flee away. What should be noted here is that this follows the earthly reign of Christ. So this passage does not help you in the least.
The question you must answer is that if Revelation is true, how can the coming of the Lord following that be as a thief in the night? There would be seven years (1260 days times 2) of signs of his coming. You are right that it can't be any clearer. You are wrong that you have been a help.As you can clearly see, there is no secret rapture here, no millennial reign on this present earth. When the Lord comes as a thief in the night, that's it. Period. It can't be any clearer. Glad to have been of help to ya.
Do you really think that your opinion is the best way to judge what correct doctrine is and what is healthy for the church? This idea of imminency extends all the way to the first century. Christians in the first century believe exactly what we believed. It was not until the 3-400s that it changed, not because of exegesis, but because of people doing what you accuse the pretribs of doing, namely reading theology in light of the time. They expected a soon coming and when it didn't happen, they changed their views about the millennium.