Oh, I guess the reference was to 4 times in Revelation 20. I would think that when God says something 5 times that it should be considered as heavily stressed as literal truth.
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Pre Tribulation Rapture Questions
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Oh, I guess the reference was to 4 times in Revelation 20. I would think that when God says something 5 times that it should be considered as heavily stressed as literal truth.
Hank,
I will try to look it up .
My grandson has my hard copy and if I had that I could look it up in the index. I will try to find it online. In the meantime I will message my grandson and ask him to look it up for me, but that may not work as he has recently moved house and he seems to be ripping it all apart and installing a new bathroom and kitchen, knocking down a wall, etc. I am not sure if his books are unpacked yet.
Eusebius said at that time every Christian fled the country and none were killed in the war.
Josephus said "Many prominent people fled the city at that time like rats that flee a ship that sinks."
David
You know the answer. The early church did not know the word. It was first used about AD 300 at one of the councils. Mosheim said it was better before, as then there was nothing for them to argue about.
Revelation 20. verses 2,3,4,5,6,7. (6 times)
Do you think that it means a literal thousand years?
Jacob's mtrouble was a prophecy for that time and has long since passed.
Lodic
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Good point, Brother David. When it comes to theology, I thought that "dispensations" typically refers to different "ages". In the scriptures you quoted, you make me think of how a doctor dispenses medicine.
Lodic
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That makes perfect sense, percho.
First off, I know that amillennialism is not a monolithic theology, as ppl have varying beliefs within that system. But most seem to hold to the 1,000 years being symbolic and we are in that symbolic 1,000 years right now. That’s by bone of contention. If we are in this symbolic 1,000, Satan is still bound, per Revelation 20:3. It says he was not loosed until after the 1,000 years.
In your view, the 1,000 years has past and we have been in that short season for >1,600 years.
Lodic
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In my view, most of the events of Revelation (as well as most other "end times prophecy") came to pass with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70. We are still looking forward to the return of Christ, of course.
With your comments, I must confess that the release of Satan does have me a bit perplexed, though. As far as that goes, I'm not entirely certain as to the timing of the "millennial" period. I will need to do further study on this.
Actually, it was Genesis 17 that started my changing from amill to historic premill. Seeing that the land covenant is everlasting as is the other covenant with Abraham is also everlasting, then that caused me to really think amill through.
Especially when the definite article is used The Thousand Years
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Yes, of course, I was trying to make a point which you saw immediately.
Many christian dogma are known by inference and a scriptural survey.
Not a problem, not a challenge, informational only.
thanks.
It is just a theological term to describe a Christian essential doctrine. We have thousands of Jesus Only (United Pentecostal Church cult) here in Indy--do you have a lot of them in your area? We have an entire Unitarian/Universalist town called Oakland, also. Indianapolis is probably majority cultist as there are also thousands of Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses.
Lodic
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What is the difference between "historic premill" vs "regular premill"? On a slightly different note, I believe that the land promises have been fulfilled based on Joshua 21:43-45, Joshua 23:14-15, and several other passages. I believe Genesis 17 is about Abraham's spiritual descendants.
Just asking for a friend--would you refer to Abraham's spiritual descendants as "Jacob"? Just asking for a friend. What about the Black Hebrew Israelites who say that they are Jews?
I live in the shadow of the Seattle metropolitan area and we have a hodge-podge of theological views here as well.
There is no regular premill.
Historic premill sees the rapture coming at the end of the great trib, whereas dispensational premill has the church raptured before the trib/great trib. Historic premill and amill are lockstep except in their views of the millennium.
Lodic
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Interesting questions. I refer to Abraham's spiritual descendants as either "Christians", or "Spiritual Israel". I'm not sure about calling them (us) Jacob, since that is before God changed him. That might be like saying "Abram's spiritual descendants", when God changed him to Abraham. Regarding the Black Hebrew Israelites who say they are Jews, I confess that I'm not very familiar with them. However, since the genealogical records were largely lost in the Diaspora, I have my doubts. Regardless, whether a person is a descendant of Israel or not doesn't really make any difference. As Paul tells us in Galatians 3:28-29, "there is neither Jew nor Gentile". Backing up to verse 7, he says that "only those of the faith are the children of Abraham". My apologies for a convoluted answer.
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