Preach/Sing in "Other" Denominations

[Brother Bob]

Sounds a little more like a group that I read about in the Bible.... The Pharisees....

 

[SOGOSINGER]

Sorry not my intention to come off that way...won't happen again

 

[rjprince]

SOGO,

Pretty sure that BBob meant that the ones who sent you on your way were acting like the Pharisees. If that was not his intent, let me say it now...

They would have been the first ones to pick up the hammer and the nails when Jesus violated their little customs and practices that they had added to the Law of God...

You have left bad company... I have known many just like that. Trust me, you are much better off --- outta thare!

 

[Shiloh]

What is your belief on an Independent Baptist Preaching and/or singing in other denominations? Please give "IN CONTEXT" scriptural references if possible. I was recently told that my family and I had to resign my membership in an IFB church due to this tremendous breach in the "Doctrine" of said church. by SOGOSINGER
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It doesn't matter what we think about the church where you have your membership. Each IB church is governed by themselves. You knew this when you joined. Therefore since you broke the rules, you only have two choices. 1. Go before the church and tell them you are sorry and that it will never happen again. 2. Leave. Now, because you have chosen #2, you have no right to talk about the church. I will be honest with you, over the years the thing that has given me the most trouble in the church is "special music".

 

[SOGOSINGER]

Shiloh, have you read any of my posts? on at least 2 of them, I have mentioned " I do not question the church's authority and have left the church" "quietly". What I simply asked for was someone to give me scripture for their stand...so I could possibly understand it better...I do not question the Church's authority....

 

[AVL1984]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
Come up to the real world. The leaders of churches make decisions everyday for the better of the church they serve by their constitution. You are on this board according to their rules, you think your using Scriptures will keep you here if they decide you have broken one of their rules like using too much bold type.

We're not talking about these forums...we're talking about church, and churches constitutions and bylaws can change. I can fully atest to this fact. The Bible NEVER changes.

 

[Brother Bob]

You would have to be naive to not know that the church has a constitution and all members and Pastor must follow those rules or at least when you get took to a court of law the church would lose. You don't just get out in a little building or a big one a say this is a church maybe in the old days but today is a different world. If the leaders didn't have a constitution to protect the church from people who say "well its not Scripture" so I will sue you and don't think that people who get angry won't do that for they will and yes, where you are too. If your leaders are naive enough to let your church go unprotected of which I am sure they don't then you will reap the consequences someday. Again, I say the Leaders make decisions based on the constitution of your church all the time and always keep in mind the constitution when making those decisions. If your church is old enough those constitution rules were around before you came into the world. Without rules, no organization would last and I mean none. One other thing, you better make sure that constitution will stand up to today's world too, just some friendly advice, take it or leave it I really don't care. If you are truly "Independant" I would advise you if you are in leadership to get you a constition and post it.

 

[Servent]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
Hope you never have to face a situation like that for you will not prevail.

Already have already left.

 

[Shiloh]

In all due respect.... If you were a member of the church then you would have read the "rules". I am not going to sit here and pass judgement on a church I know nothing about. There are more kinds of IB out there than you can shake a stick at. Are they all right? Hardly! Just read what is posted on BB. There must have been a time when you did agree with your church. Now something happened and now the rules are wrong? Bite the bullet and leave. Try to find a church that you do agree with 100%

GOOD LUCK!

 

[Me4Him]

Here's the covenant our church has posted.

http://www.mt-pisgah.org/church_covenant.htm

 

[rjprince]

Me4Him,

What?! No clause to "abstain for the sale and use of alcoholic drink as beverage"!?!?

And as long as I am stirring up trouble, I repeat my earlier question: Where is there ANY Biblical support for "majority rule"? How can you add this one as part of the Church Covenant while maintaining to follow Scripture "as our rule in our faith, practice and methods of operation"?

Sorry, but the "We have always done it that way" and "You have to have some form of Church government" lines just do not work for me! The clear NT pattern is leadership by a group of Godly men recognized by the church as called, qualified, and gifted for such leadership -- a plurality of elders.

 

[webdog]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
Don't want to throw cold water on this but if anyone hasn't learned that the Church has all the authority it wants or needs if it rules by majority and whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in Heaven, and whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in Heaven. If the majority of a Church says that you have broken their rules, it don't have to be Scripture then you are gone I am sorry to say. The Church has great power.

The Bible also tells us to submit to authority, and gives the outline of how a church should be governed. Elders are to head the church, with members falling under the leadership of the elders. Congregationally ran churches are not the biblical means to run a church, so the "majority rules" argument is moot, as the "majority" still falls under leadership.

 

[Brother Bob]

I am sorry webdog but we as a body which includes several Associations and many churches from Mich to Fla live by the rule of majority. As I said before and will say again, the Church has great power.

I would like to ask you one question. How is your Pastor chosen?

Me4Him;

I read your constitution and find that you also by final rule by majority. I know SBC rules by majority for they just had a vote not long ago on their leader.

 

[webdog]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
I am sorry webdog but we as a body which includes several Associations and many churches from Mich to Fla live by the rule of majority. As I said before and will say again, the Church has great power.

I would like to ask you one question. How is your Pastor chosen?

Our pastor is chosen from the remaining elders. The pastor is not presented before the congregation for approval, as the congregation is aware the responsibility falls on leadership, and the congregation is under the leadership of the Church. I believe this to be the biblical model presented in Scripture.

 

[Brother Bob]

Webdog;
Post your constitution so I can see it.
You were recently voted in the SB so who did the voting to join up with the SB.

Don't know how large your membership is but if you tithe I guarntee that the members who put up the money better have a say over who you choose as Pastor or you will be gone.

Tell me what if the leaders become corrupt who has the power to get rid of them?

 

[webdog]

Brother Bob, I dont' have the constitution in pdf format, but I can dig it up later and type what it says.

We were "voted in" by the SBC. We were initially non denominational, but we decided to associate with the SBC for missions reasons. Our elders were interviewed by leadership of the SBC to see if our church's beliefs were in line with the SBC.

When I tithe, I have total faith that the leadership God has put into place will use the money wisely, after all, it's God's money anyway (I'm the auditor and assistant treasurer...so I know anyway . If they do not use it the way God would have it used, He will hold leadership accountable, not me. I don't have a say in how it is used, nor do I feel I should. This would be usurping the authority of those over me.

If the leaders become corrupt, the other elders go through the biblical means to remove the corrupt leader. This is why the Bible mentions elders..plural. This actually happend in my church prior to us joining.

 

[webdog]

Don't know how large your membership is but if you tithe I guarntee that the members who put up the money better have a say over who you choose as Pastor or you will be gone.

Brother Bob, do you give to any other charitable non profit organizations like American Cancer Society, etc.? Do you have a say in how the money is spent there?

 

[Brother Bob]

webdog;
You said; (we decided to join SBC, who is we?)

Of course I give but you didn't answer the questions I ask you webdog. Maybe we should just drop it for it serves no purpose does it.

 

[webdog]

What question did I not answer? I answered everything point by point in my previous post.

 

[webdog]

You said; (we decided to join SBC, who is we?)

You must have edited your post while I was typing mine. The "we", is the Church...lead by the Elders. Any decision the Elders make is done on behalf of the Church