Preaching the gospel

[JonC]

In another thread Iconoclast quoted an article (not necessarily his view) which spoke of how we preach the gospel without presenting the offer of salvation. There is so much in the article worthy of discussion, and much that leads to good questions that can be explored.

From the wisdom of God I argue the solution of the question, how must we preach the Gospel to sinners, if we do not offer the Gospel to sinners? We must preach the Gospel in the doctrine. . . . . The doctrine of the cross of Christ then, or the doctrine of Salvation, in which that Salvation is brought to the elect alone, is a doctrine that must be preached for condemnation even to them that perish; or else how will the wisdom of God in preaching it appear to be foolishness to them that perish?

The author believes the gospel must be contained in an overarching teaching, explaining salvation only for the elect.

My question is what do you believe necessary in a gospel presentation (what is the gospel message to be preached)?

I lean on Paul preaching nothing but Christ crucified (I understand this to be the overall gospel message, that Christ died under the curse, as a curse for us, and was justified by God raising Him on the 3rd day, conquering sin and death so that we also might have life).

What do you believe to be the essential message to be preached in evangelism?

 

[Brightfame52]

jon c

I lean on Paul preaching nothing but Christ crucified (I understand this to be the overall gospel message, that Christ died under the curse, as a curse for us, and was justified by God raising Him on the 3rd day, conquering sin and death so that we also might have life).

Well not only was Christ justified when He was raised from the dead, but so was all those He died for their sins declared justified Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of our justification.

Now who is our referring to ? I believe its Gods elect according to Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

And I believe its Gospel Truth !

 

[JonC]

jon c



Well not only was Christ justified when He was raised from the dead, but so was all those He died for their sins declared justified Rom 4:25

25 Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of our justification.

Now who is our referring to ? I believe its Gods elect according to Rom 8:33-34

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

And I believe its Gospel Truth !

I agree.

Paul says he preached only Christ crucified, but I believe this a summary of what he taught (as Paul says our faith is in the Resurrection, as we are justified in Christ).

In Scripture "the elect" (in terms of salvation) are always those who are saved (not who may at some time in the future be saved). It is interesting that we are taught to examine ourselves to see if we are among the elect.

 

[tyndale1946]

I agree.

Paul says he preached only Christ crucified, but I believe this a summary of what he taught (as Paul says our faith is in the Resurrection, as we are justified in Christ).

In Scripture "the elect" (in terms of salvation) are always those who are saved (not who may at some time in the future be saved). It is interesting that we are taught to examine ourselves to see if we are among the elect.

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Find people like that (who show the LOVE of God in their hearts) and you've found the elect... Brother Glen

 

[JonC]

Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Find people like that (who show the LOVE of God in their hearts) and you've found the elect... Brother Glen

I agree, under the condition we realize at one time we did not have that love (we were formerly at enmity with God..not numbered among the elect).

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

In another thread Iconoclast quoted an article (not necessarily his view) which spoke of how we preach the gospel without presenting the offer of salvation. There is so much in the article worthy of discussion, and much that leads to good questions that can be explored.



The author believes the gospel must be contained in an overarching teaching, explaining salvation only for the elect.

My question is what do you believe necessary in a gospel presentation (what is the gospel message to be preached)?

I lean on Paul preaching nothing but Christ crucified (I understand this to be the overall gospel message, that Christ died under the curse, as a curse for us, and was justified by God raising Him on the 3rd day, conquering sin and death so that we also might have life).

What do you believe to be the essential message to be preached in evangelism?

Alistair Begg has a great take on the what the basic gospel for salvation is based off the thief on the cross. It's a two minute video below:

 

[Iconoclast]

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This got posted in a wrong thread, it was off topic there, so I moved it here.

That you and JonC do not understand is sad, but not the topic of this thread
Do not understand what?
[/QUOTE

]Calvinism

[QUOTE]You are assuming, brother, that we do not understand because we disagree with you.

No , because you responses and questions indicate you have no real understanding. You disagree because you do not understand.

The fact is the majority of the world is lost.

At the present time, it is

The fact is not all Calvinists are saved.

Biblical Calvinists ae saved by God. False professors are unsaved no matter what they call themself

The fact is Calvinism never saved a soul.

Of course not. God saves sinners. The truth of the word rightly understood is contained in Calvinism, that doctrine given by God, when rightly understood and taught informs us.

The fact is the natural state of man is condemned.

Yes, that would be the T....total depravity

The fact is the majority of the brethern are non-Calvinists.

That highly subjective statement, is your opinion and can be easily disputed

The fact is Calvinists and non-Calvinists who are saved are on equal ground among the brethern.

Anyone God saves are saved on Gods terms.

The fact is Calvinists and non-Calvinists who are lost are excluded from Christ.

Unsaved people remain dead in Adam, no matter what label they try and Hijack. A biblical Calvinist is saved.