Featured Predestination unto salvation

Yes Reformed,
2tim2:9-10 Paul rejoices that he suffers trouble in order that the elect may obtain the salvation found in Jesus.
He knows God saves individual sinners through means. God knows each elect individual by name.
No false ideas of a corporate election of no one in particular. No, it is the foreknown elect who are predestined to be conformed to the image of the Lord Jesus.

 

The Bible is replete with anthropomorphisms. Does God truly express emotions? Is Jesus a door and a loaf of bread? Does God really choose as humans choose? Anthropomorphisms are used so the reader can understand. God chooses through His sovereign will of decree. Election is both corporate (a people of God) and personal (individuals). When I get home I can provide relevant passages that prove election is both corporate personal. Corporate election is not as the esteemed Leighton Flowers claims it is. God does not call or establish a people and then populate that community with those who choose Him. Again, I am limited to my resources right now but can dive in deeper tonight.

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Those "lost" who are not appointed unto eternal life (Acts 13:48) are certainly not elect. But those appointed to eternal life that have not yet come to faith are still elect because election is from eternity. When the effectual call occurs, that is when their election from eternity becomes justification in time.



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Actually, we Calvinists see it in terms of Individual election, while Non cals use terms like corporate election! As in the plan, or the church was elect, but not each person!

 

Yes, as there shall come to each one of them a time when they make their election and calling sure!

 

God directly determined the elect unto salvation, but not those who are in hell in like fashion!

 

I have never read that in my studies among reformed/Calvinist though, as that would be popular among those like author Elect in the Son!

 

I believe some were and are predestined by God for special service to Him, such as Abraham, Moses, Jeremiah, & Jesus' disciples.

But I do NOT believe anyone is predestined for hell. God is perfectly JUST. What kind of justification would doom someone to eternal damnation before he/she is old enough to realize right from wrong?

 

actually, we all are already condemned in Adam, due to the fall, but God did not determine that we all go to hell, its just that unless Jesus saves you, we all are born heading that way!

 

yes, but he would have held to individual election of each person now in the Church!

 

I just do not think that we would use that terminology, as that is more to how arminians would refer to God saving out a corporate Body, the Church, but each one free wills themselves into her!

 

From the 1689 Second London Baptist Confession of Faith, Chapter 26: "Of the Church"

1._____ The catholic or universal church, which (with respect to the internal work of the Spirit and truth of grace) may be called invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ, the head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
( Hebrews 12:23; Colossians 1:18; Ephesians 1:10, 22, 23; Ephesians 5:23, 27, 32 )

The body of Christ ("the elect", "the Church", "the universal church") consists of the whole number of the elect that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ. This means all those who were saved, are saved, and will be saved are saved in Christ. So, yes, all elect people constitute "the Elect". "The Elect" is the corporate identity of God's people but elect persons are those who are part of the Elect. As I said in post #64, "God does not call or establish a people and then populate that community with those who choose Him." God chose individuals and they make up the Elect ("the Church", "the body").

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There is no such thing anywhere in the scriptures. No verse can be presented saying that.

 

We all believe many things.
The elect sheep are the object of the Great Shepherd in Ezk34.
They belong to Him and He vows to search and seek them out.
They belong to Him from before the world was.
He knows those who are His.They are His because of the giving of the Father in the Covenant of Redemption.
Those elect individuals are spoken of as the ones predestined to be conformed to the image of the Son rom8:29-30.
To deny this is to deny biblical revelation.

 

That's one of the most honest replies I've gotten. If other Calvinists on the board could face that truth the conversations would be more fruitful. I realize that you, and many others, will nevertheless insist that Calvinism is still true, because, as you said, it can still be "deducted from Scripture via human understanding to answer questions not exactly addressed in the Bible" and that's a fair point to make; I'm not gloating in what you said as if I had won a point, I'm simply appreciating the honesty of your words.