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Prediction of declining solar activity

HankD

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When I was out in NM one of my members who was a rancher had a stretch of two miles from his front gate to his front door. Instead of paying 55,000 to have elect. run to his place he went with solar which was 35,000 to set up. He has a bank of batteries in a shipping storage container which has to be cooled. You have to be an electronics expert to keep it running and each battery is about 750.00. There are quite a few and they only last a couple of years. And that is without running elect. all day, mainly at night. Using a wood stove in the winter for heat. Definitely makes you think before flipping that light switch.
True. If you want a constant supply of electricity from solar you MUST have a battery storage system for when the sun don't shine (like at night :) ).
 

just-want-peace

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Frankly, I would be perfectly fine w/ nuke power. Can’t see that, ALL things considered, it would not be as good or better than all the other options.
 

David Kent

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I would welcome becoming independent from the established power cartels here in America.
"They" don't make it easy.

You are inspected with the proverbial fine tooth comb when you attempt to get off the grid.

The grid in our area is supplied by EDF. (Electricité de France) if you can find a cheaper supplier you can change to them. If you hve a problem, EDF are the people who would sort it out. Some years ago I was with Scottish Power, and had a problem which they didn't understand. EDF wouldn't sort it out, as they had to get the request from our supplier, After many telephone calls, I managed to get EEDF to sort the problem out, and as it turned out their supply was cheaper than Scottish Power, I changed to EDF.
 

Adonia

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Unless of course you are completely OFF GRID.

Which is the way I kept mine when I lived at my remote home in Vermont. I used to laugh when everyone lost power, such a thing never bothered me in the least.

I have solar as a backup here in Florida. During the last hurricane power was out for over 3 days, but in my RV we were completely self - contained. I had water, power, and a pooper while everyone else didn't.
 

Adonia

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The grid in our area is supplied by EDF. (Electricité de France) if you can find a cheaper supplier you can change to them. If you hve a problem, EDF are the people who would sort it out. Some years ago I was with Scottish Power, and had a problem which they didn't understand. EDF wouldn't sort it out, as they had to get the request from our supplier, After many telephone calls, I managed to get EEDF to sort the problem out, and as it turned out their supply was cheaper than Scottish Power, I changed to EDF.

The French are controlling your power? My, my, you English have really dropped to a low level with that reality. LOL
 

kyredneck

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Frankly, I would be perfectly fine w/ nuke power. Can’t see that, ALL things considered, it would not be as good or better than all the other options.

If you ever get the chance watch the documentary 'Pandora's Promise'. If logic and common sense ever prevails nuclear is absolutely the way to go, especially since the new gen4 reactors are failsafe and can actually be fueled with spent radioactive waste from fission reactors.
 

Van

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I think electric cars are the future. The mix of generation sources (Hydro, solar, wind, nuclear and fossil fuel) will gradually trend toward renewables, thus making electrics even better. I do not see nuclear power making a comeback unless (1) the federal government takes possession of spent fuel, and (2) the federal government creates a rapid response team able to bring portable emergency generation, pumps, water, and high pressure hoses such that they can restore cooling within 72 hours, no matter what occurred at the nuclear power station.
 

church mouse guy

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I think electric cars are the future. The mix of generation sources (Hydro, solar, wind, nuclear and fossil fuel) will gradually trend toward renewables, thus making electrics even better. I do not see nuclear power making a comeback unless (1) the federal government takes possession of spent fuel, and (2) the federal government creates a rapid response team able to bring portable emergency generation, pumps, water, and high pressure hoses such that they can restore cooling within 72 hours, no matter what occurred at the nuclear power station.

Why would you want an electric car? They are much more expensive to operate than gasoline. Take away the current federal subsidy for buying one and no one at all would buy them. Although they advertise a range of 250 miles or so, the reality is only 60 miles. Police, fire and ambulance could never rely on electric and as for trucking, forget about it.
 

just-want-peace

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Why would you want an electric car? They are much more expensive to operate than gasoline. Take away the current federal subsidy for buying one and no one at all would buy them. Although they advertise a range of 250 miles or so, the reality is only 60 miles. Police, fire and ambulance could never rely on electric and as for trucking, forget about it.

Prediction!! ---- If left to private enterprise, IE not govt subsidized, the future vehicle will be similar to the Prius; basically electric but with it's own on-board charger run by fossil fuel. Batteries being cheaper,giving more mileage, faster recharge time AND more dependable.
When??? Good question! If the dims take over ANY time in the next 30 years all bets are off, as less than 6 months later the nation will be in a TRUE civil war and ------ !!
 

kyredneck

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$750.00? What kind of batteries did he have? I get my 6 volt batteries for like $90.00 a piece at Sams club.

Compare:
Lithium Deep Cycle Battery | Lithium Solar Batteries | altE

...with:
Sealed Gel Cell Battery | Gel Battery | Gel Cell Battery | altE

I was on a solar power website a while back and read that of all the different battery types the lead-acid is still the best all around for the home owner due to cost effectiveness. A well maintained bank of lead acid batteries can function for 10 years.
 

David Kent

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Deep Cycle Batteries are needed for long term storage.
Deep Cycle Batteries & Solar Batteries | altE

There is a possible answer from an experiment I saw in the Science Museum in London many years ago.

If you have a hill nearby you pump; watger to the top when you hsve excess power and store it in a resevoir or tank, then when you need power you release it as needed to drive a generator. Or you could build a water tower.
 

David Kent

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The French are controlling your power? My, my, you English have really dropped to a low level with that reality. LOL
Yes they bought our local company which was South Eastern Electricity Board.
Back in 1948, our socialist goverment nationalsed most utilities. In more recent years the conservative government denationalised them. As they were now free to operate as they wished within limits, some were taken over by others, our local one was bought out by EDF. They seem to run it well.
 

HankD

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There is a possible answer from an experiment I saw in the Science Museum in London many years ago.

If you have a hill nearby you pump; water to the top when you have excess power and store it in a reservoir or tank, then when you need power you release it as needed to drive a generator. Or you could build a water tower.
Yes David, I have heard of that.
 

Van

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Why would you want an electric car? They are much more expensive to operate than gasoline. Take away the current federal subsidy for buying one and no one at all would buy them. Although they advertise a range of 250 miles or so, the reality is only 60 miles. Police, fire and ambulance could never rely on electric and as for trucking, forget about it.
Lets leave it that your view of electric car viability and my view differ. I think electrics with an actual range under 200 miles were marketed and sold for the purpose of hindering the shift to electric vehicles.
Lets plan on revisiting this discussion in 2021. :)
 

David Kent

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Yes David, I have heard of that.
I visited a working water mill in Yorkshire sometime ago and was surprised ho little water it took to work the great mill,

In the French city of Bensançon there is a citadel. In the citaldel the are four museums. One of them is a museum of country life. One of the items on show there is a mill operated by four horses. It didn't just grind the flour but due to belts and gears from the main shaft it operated allsorts of other machinart, as I rememeber. The citdel is atop of a large hill and the water supply was from a well operated by a treadmill worked by a donkey. The donkey dropped when he say the Probably in the past operated by slaves.
 

HankD

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I visited a working water mill in Yorkshire sometime ago and was surprised ho little water it took to work the great mill,

In the French city of Bensançon there is a citadel. In the citaldel the are four museums. One of them is a museum of country life. One of the items on show there is a mill operated by four horses. It didn't just grind the flour but due to belts and gears from the main shaft it operated allsorts of other machinart, as I rememeber. The citdel is atop of a large hill and the water supply was from a well operated by a treadmill worked by a donkey. The donkey dropped when he say the Probably in the past operated by slaves.
Hmm interesting.
 

David Kent

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Hmm interesting.
The French had galley slaves until thr Revolution 1789. They were mostly Christians who had been caught attending services and sentenced to the galleys for life. Women were jailed. Pastors were sentenced to have their bodies broken on the wheel and then hung. Not an easy life for Christians in those days. I have a book which I bought at the Calvin Museum in Noyon, which has a picture of a long line of men sentenced to the galleys all chained together with guards beating them with whips as the went along. They is also a picture of a "Batard" flogging a man on the galley with a long flexible baton.
 
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