Why do you assert this?
It can’t be because of me. I’m quite open to changing my mind when new facts come to my attention. The only way you can be certain that we will “never” agree is if you are close-minded to new information.
This is simply an assertion. You have decided you won’t believe research that doesn’t match what you may have learned in your high school biology class however many years ago. Genetics is a rapidly growing area of knowledge. The simplistic models we were all taught in high school are not all that can be known, nor were they completely accurate.
If our understanding of the biblical message is true, we have nothing to fear from new information. When new information conflicts with our beliefs, we have to re-evaluate our religious and scientific opinions and determine if there is enough new, verifiable evidence requiring us to modify our beliefs. Refusal to consider new evidence is not a sign of faithfulness, but rather, a sign of closemindedness.
I don’t demand that you believe that XX and XY may or may not result in the development of traditionally corresponding genitalia (which is what I have been saying), but I want you to be aware of it because responsible Christians speaking on these issues should know the current scientific evidence.
But you didn’t.
For me, everyone in the church where I grew up and in the school system where I went to school, K-12. You were not considered a “real man” unless you fit that profile. If you didn’t fit that profile, you were often accused of being gay (although, expressed in terms unsuitable for this board or Christian speech in general). And if you were accused of being gay, it made one the target of organized bullying (no matter what one’s sexual orientation actually was).
The Southern Baptist figure, Paige Leighton Patterson (feminine first and middle names) has been quite vocal about this in Southern Baptist life, and some of that attitude has made its way into The Council for Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, as well as the Men’s Wild Game Banquets held at Baptist churches all over. Please note, I have nothing against hunting and wild game. I enjoy venison and a few other game meets, but I get no thrill out of killing any creature (deer, fish, bird, spider, etc.). I don’t hesitate if it needs to be done, but my “manhood” and self-worth has nothing to do with it.
There are plenty of examples if you have eyes to see it.
In my life, the high school counselor would advise teen girls not to pursue careers but to find husbands quickly. And if they wanted a career, they were limited to nurse, teacher, or retail management (mid-level) – this was in the mid-1980s.
For the past two decades, I have worked in the architecture, engineering, and construction field, and women face a lot of obstacles in what is still a male-dominated field. Much of it comes from men who resent that “women are trying to be men.”
The whole “purity culture” movement that dominates “conservative” churches. Women are seen to be the enemy to a man’s virtue simply by being in proximity to them. The so-called “Billy Graham rule” has been twisted from the original context (people were allegedly trying to set up Billy Graham for a scandal within a very different cultural milieu) into never allowing a man to be in the same confined space (usually a room or automobile) alone with a woman who is not that man’s wife. Instead of it being a specific individual response to what was likely a valid concern, it has morphed into a legalism that assumes men are predators and women cannot be trusted. That’s a sub-Christian assumption.
In a men’s discipleship group I am in, one of the younger men complained about the revealing clothing he saw on the college girls he was around for part of the day. He claimed it was making him stumble. Purity culture would agree with his assessment, but Jesus would not. Jesus gave instructions to “pluck out one’s eyes” if one wanted to claim that what one saw caused them to sin (Matthew 18:9). Certainly women need to take responsibility for what they do, but they are not responsible for men objectifying them or abusing them.
EXACTLY who are these persons? This comes across as being a passive-aggressive way referring to me, since you have already made this false accusation before in this thread. If so, it is a vile false accusation, just like many of the other vile false accusations you have made in this thread and never apologized for.
And AGAIN,
I don't claim "sex and gender [are] different things." You are pulling that out of your imagination and ignoring what I have said to the contrary.
It is hard to take you seriously about moral issues when you constantly make false allegations against me.
