Present your BEST argument for church tithing

please explain me this verses:

Gen 14:19 And he blessed1288 him, and said,559 Blessed1288 be Abram87 of the most high5945 God,410 possessor7069 of heaven8064 and earth:776
Gen 14:20 And blessed1288 be the most high5945 God,410 which834 hath delivered4042 thine enemies6862 into thy hand.3027 And he gave5414 him tithes4643 of all.4480, 3605


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This ocurred before the existence of Israel.
This ocurred before the Law (Moses Law).

Why this Abraham sample does not apply to us?

(Sorry for my english)

 

Abraham was also a polygamist before the existance of Israel and before the law,, should we follow that example also?

"The just shall live by faith". This is the general rule of life for the child of God.

If your faith is big enough to tithe (or more), by all means tithe.

HankD

 

Do you think compare Adultery/Polygamy with tithe is a valid comparission?

 

Amen! Tithing to the Church was invented by the Roman Catholic Church to pay its bills. Those who believe that God wants them to tithe should give their tithe to a needy Jewish synagogue . Churches that are pastored by men who are faithful to God do not need your tithe, but the synagogue may desperately need it.

 

Let's assume that it does apply. Alright, next time we plunder a region and kill the people and take the spoils, we will look up the local priest and give him a tenth.

Does it apply, or not?

 

But you are the one who said Abraham tithed before the Law came into existance and made a point of that fact.

Isn't the Law the knowledge of sin?

You are the one giving what Abraham did a name and calling it "adultery".

Where in the Scripture does it say that Abraham committed "adultery"?

And OBTW, even when the Law eventually came, a man was permitted more than one wife.

So I repeat: Abraham had multiple wives before the law came into existance (which was later permitted by the Law). So should we follow the example of Abraham in this matter as well?

Also to repeat: Tithing in the NT, like any of the post-salvation works, is by faith not by constraint.

HankD

 

OK, my wording was wrong. It's a personal decision, it shouldn't be a local church enforced practice.

If anyone wants to tithe, there is nothing I see in the NT to forbid tithing except if it is not done in faith.

The just shall live by faith.
...whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

I am free to give whatever I purpose in my own heart, if I pupose a tithe in faith it's allowed, if not a tithe it's still allowed.

2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

HankD

 

Actually the word "tithe" in one form or another is found 6 times in the NT. But even if it were not there at all, it doesn't prove a whole lot, the terms , "missions", "mission board" or "missionary" cannot be found in the NT.

That's what I've been saying all along.

I'm sorry I took so long in answering, I've been on vacation visiting my triplet grandkids.



HankD

 

I can't believe what I have been reading!

Jesus condemned the Pharisees in Matthew 23:24 and said "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you PAY TITHE of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done WITHOUT LEAVING THE OTHERS UNDONE."!

 

Remember WEBDOG...Jesus was addressing "law-keeping" JEWS prior to His death,burial and resurrection....and prior to the establishment of the New Testament church age.He was NOT addressing born again NEW TESTAMENT "Christians".You just can't apply that passage to the CHURCH...it doesn't FIT.

Greg Sr.

 

No, giving is commanded, but your erroneous doctrine pretty much sums up the attitudes in threads where folks gripe about tithing. You're just trying to say that NOT giving is good and righteous and holy and on an even par with giving.

God so loved that He gave...

He who loves little, gives little. He who loves much, gives much. I believe the widow's mites have already been mentioned.

If you are not giving, you are not a Christian.

 

I was responding to your post in which you said...

OK, but you did not make any other qualification other than "as there is no such thing in the new testament", so neither did I.

In fact you made it seem (at least to me)) as if "tithing" per se, were an unknown or a taboo item in the NT. Therefore since it appeared to me (and perhaps I am wrong) that you made it that kind of an issue, I will restate my statement.

"tithe" as a principle of giving under the law is mentioned 6 times in the NT.

Please read my posts and you will see that I agree with you and will even add this: In the strictest sense of the concept, "tithing" was a theocratic federal income tax imposed upon the Hebrew landowners (not the wage earner). The tithe was used for the national defense and welfare, income for the leaders of the theocracy (levites), help for the widow, stranger, etc...

By that concept (national defense and welfare), most Americans pay at least a "tithe" to the US government.

My point RE:tithing under grace:
Go ahead if it is by faith because "the just shall live by faith".

If one is fearful about legalism then make it 9% or 11%. Actually any % or amount as long as it is by faith, as one purposes in their heart (not imposed upon you) and cheerfully given.

HankD

 

<<If you are not giving, you are not a Christian.>>

This is an utterly ridiculous statement.

 

And yet eminently Scriptural.