President Obama Is To Blame

[poncho]

Ponch,

I have been a true Conservative for 84+ years. How long have you been a "conspiracy caryopsis"?

The real question is how long have you had to employ the services of a monkey to make your arguments for you?

If repeating unfounded allegations and hiding behind a monkey when you're called on it is the standard by which "true conservatism" is to be judged then I'd say somewhere along the lines "true conservatives" became parrots repeating neocon talking points and fear mongering memes with no regard for the facts and evidence what so ever.

I think it's funny whenever you call me a "conspiracy theorist" because you're just repeating another one of those "mainstream" talking points meant to end discussions you would certainly lose if the facts and evidence were ever to be allowed to be discussed in a rational adult manner.

There's nothing original in what you keep attempting to do OR, it's just another case of "monkey see, monkey do". You see others do it so you do it.

To try to avoid inconvenient facts, history and evidence to end a discussion in such an infantile copy cat manner is extremely lame especially for a guy your age.

 

[OldRegular]

The real question is how long have you had to employ the services of a monkey to make your arguments for you?

If repeating unfounded allegations and hiding behind a monkey when you're called on it is the standard by which "true conservatism" is to be judged then I'd say somewhere along the lines "true conservatives" became parrots repeating neocon talking points and fear mongering memes with no regard for the facts and evidence what so ever.

I think it's funny whenever you call me a "conspiracy theorist" because you're just repeating another one of those "mainstream" talking points meant to end discussions you would certainly lose if the facts and evidence were ever to be allowed to be discussed in a rational adult manner.

There's nothing original in what you keep attempting to do OR, it's just another case of "monkey see, monkey do". You see others do it so you do it.

To try to avoid inconvenient facts, history and evidence to end a discussion in such an infantile copy cat manner is extremely lame especially for a guy your age.

I think the monkey is more than up to the task of addressing the BS you toss around!

I have not and surely will not waste my time trying to out BS you. A lil ole monkey is sufficient for that task!

 

[HankD]

poncho is not all wrong. Both sides of the aisle are full of Orwellian double-think self-serving prevaricating smooth-talking individuals while the darker side manipulates us into a divide and conquer herd of lemmings.

Pray for another great awakening and a man of God for a president.

It can happen.

HankD

 

[kyredneck]

:thumbs: ... good post Hank, I agree.

 

[OldRegular]

poncho is not all wrong. Both sides of the aisle are full of Orwellian double-think self-serving prevaricating smooth-talking individuals while the darker side manipulates us into a divide and conquer herd of lemmings.

Pray for another great awakening and a man of God for a president.

It can happen.

HankD

Much of the problem is that we have a political class in this country and the best or worst, depending on your view, reside in DC. Furthermore, I believe that the strings of many in this political class from both parties are pulled by the Wall Street Banks. Sadly the "stupid party" allows itself to be labeled the party of the rich while the democrats are labeled as the party of the people. It is a fact that the many of the richest people in the country are radical leftists. That being said I do not believe that all in this political class are bad or evil, they simply become part of the clan after a few years in DC.

I am sure there is much in what Ponch posts that is worthwhile. Frankly I do not have the time to waste probing much of anything he posts and I certainly am not going to accept many of his links as gospel! However I believe he is simply off the reservation in some of his theories, particularly concerning Russia.

I would ask you Hank: What do you mean when you say we need a man of GOD for president? I believe that many of our presidents have been Christians but one of the worst presidents we have had was "born again" Jimmy Carter. The only thing that keeps him from being the worst is Barak Hussein Obama!

 

[poncho]

Much of the problem is that we have a political class in this country and the best or worst, depending on your view, reside in DC. Furthermore, I believe that the strings of many in this political class from both parties are pulled by the Wall Street Banks. Sadly the "stupid party" allows itself to be labeled the party of the rich while the democrats are labeled as the party of the people. It is a fact that the many of the richest people in the country are radical leftists. That being said I do not believe that all in this political class are bad or evil, they simply become part of the clan after a few years in DC.

I am sure there is much in what Ponch posts that is worthwhile. Frankly I do not have the time to waste probing much of anything he posts and I certainly am not going to accept many of his links as gospel! However I believe he is simply off the reservation in some of his theories, particularly concerning Russia.

I would ask you Hank: What do you mean when you say we need a man of GOD for president? I believe that many of our presidents have been Christians but one of the worst presidents we have had was "born again" Jimmy Carter. The only thing that keeps him from being the worst is Barak Hussein Obama!

If I'm the one who's "off the reservation" concerning Russia why is it you're the one who cannot prove your allegations concerning Russia?

You've had over a year and half to prove your allegations but all you've been able to come up with is corporate sponsored "expert" opinions, corporate sponsored media talking points and corporate sponsored scare tactics from people who've lied to us in the past and hyped "dire threats" to gain more money, more power and more control over us by increasing the size and scope of government.

And a monkey playing a guitar.

What ever happened to the idea that a person making an allegation should be the one to prove that allegation instead of the person who ridicules the person asking them to prove their allegation?

The so called "true conservatives" have done just as much or more to increase the size and scope of government and amass more debt since the neocons co opted the republican party as the so called "liberals" they're always pinning the blame on.

When are we going to stop playing the leftie vs rightie game and realize that we all have a common enemy? Who or what is that common enemy? The network of private global banks and corporations who now control both houses of congress, the WH and the mass "mainstream" corporate media.

The evidence is every where but the "righties" don't want to see it because they just want to blame the "lefties" and the "lefties" don't want to see it because they just want to blame the "righties".

We need to stop playing along with this "divide and conquer" game or we're all going to end up slaves to the people playing the game on us.

 

[OldRegular]

If I'm the one who's "off the reservation" concerning Russia why is it you're the one who cannot prove your allegations concerning Russia?

I don't believe I have made any allegations regarding Russia other than that historically the Russian Bear or Mother Russia, whichever you prefer, has wanted to move westward into Eastern Europe. They succeeded after WWII, Reagan defeated the Soviet Union without firing a shot, but now Putin has taken Crimea!

 

[poncho]

I don't believe I have made any allegations regarding Russia other than that historically the Russian Bear or Mother Russia, whichever you prefer, has wanted to move westward into Eastern Europe. They succeeded after WWII, Reagan defeated the Soviet Union without firing a shot, but now Putin has taken Crimea!

Oh, this is going to be fun!

I'm going back through our old arguments in the archives. It's actually quite comical.

Here's an excerpt from a thread you posted . . .

Here's how our "disscusions" usually go . . .

OR says, "Russia Invaded And Occupied Crimea!"

Poncho says, "show me the proof".

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist or I'll sick my monkey on you!"

Poncho says, "under the partition treaty signed by Russia and Ukraine, Russia is allowed to have up to 25,000 troops in Crimea"

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist or I'll sick my monkey on you!"

Poncho says, "Under the terms of this treaty Russia is allowed to have up to 25,000 troops, 24 artillery systems 100 mm or smaller, 132 armored vehicles and 22 military aircraft in Crimea."

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist or I'll sick my monkey on you!"

Poncho says, "Okay then show me the proof (see definition above) you have that Russia has indeed 'invaded and occupied' Crimea."

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist I already gave you the proof, Mark P. Lagon said; 'On March 18, 2014, the Kremlin followed its illegal invasion of Crimea by officially annexing the peninsula."

Poncho says, "That's not proof, that's an allegation (see definition above) with no supporting evidence (see definition above). I asked for evidence not another allegation. BTW I can only view everything your "source" is claiming if I register with WSJ and pay Rupert Murdoch a dollar a week for the "privilege" of reading the rest of Mark P. Lagon's baseless (see definition below) allegations.

Baseless: without foundation in fact

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist all you ever post is BULL, Na Na Na Na Na Na!"

Poncho Says, "I think you must have "evidence" (see definition above) and "BULL" (see definition below) confused OR. I've gone to great lengths to explain exactly what the difference between an unfounded "allegation" and "evidence" is. I even posted links to the definitions to make it easier for you to understand.

Bull: an uncastrated male bovine animal.

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist or I'll sick my monkey on you, Russia invaded and occupied Crimea, Mark P. Lagon said so!!! He has big time corporate sponsors so it must be true!!!"

Poncho says, "I don't suppose you're ever going to understand that saying something and proving it are two different things."

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist or I'll sick my monkey on you all you ever post is BULL!!!"

Poncho says, :tonofbricks:

Meanwhile back in Crimea one year on . . .

Russian Crimea: One Year Later

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2203950&postcount=41

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=98694&page=5

And I still have six or eight more threads to go through. :laugh:

In the meantime let's all try really really hard to forget it was the U.S. State Dept and it's army of well funded NGO "democray spreaders" that took part in and supported a violent coup which started the civil war before the Crimean referendum ever took place.

 

[HankD]

I would ask you Hank: What do you mean when you say we need a man of GOD for president? I believe that many of our presidents have been Christians but one of the worst presidents we have had was "born again" Jimmy Carter. The only thing that keeps him from being the worst is Barak Hussein Obama!

Right OR, we don't need a "born again" or "christian" president who is both earthly and spiritual, we need a man from God who does not have one foot in "Christendom" and one in Washington DC. One whose concerns are for God and His well deserved glory.

John 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

I know, it sounds impossible but with God all things are possible.

OR, if you haven't already, do a Google study on "the Great Awakening".
This is a huge part of the Christian heritage of early America, but it is NEVER taught or even mentioned in public schools and strangely enough not so much in Christian schools either.


HankD

 

[poncho]

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=98694

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=95197 <---- start with this one.

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=92336

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=99951&highlight=show+proof

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=92615

Do any of these jog your memory OR?

Notice a pattern here folks? I keep asking for evidence and the two amigos keep doing everything they can (some of it child like and totally ridiculous) to conceal the fact they don't have any.

One uses a monkey and the other a worn out fallacy. It's hard to believe either of them are adults.

 

[OldRegular]

Oh, this is going to be fun!

I'm going back through our old arguments in the archives. It's actually quite comical.

Here's an excerpt from a thread you posted . . .



http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost.php?p=2203950&postcount=41

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=98694&page=5

And I still have six or eight more threads to go through. :laugh:

THAT IS A SORRY LYING PIECE OF CRAP YOU POSTED PONCH! Actually it was all made up by you as the link shows! I have deleted some of the trash talk at the end of your post you linked to in order to meed the character limit.

Originally Posted by OldRegular
Actually poncho I believe the only allegations I have made is that you are a conspiracy theorist and continually post a bunch of Bull. That is self evident from the numerous threads you start and subsequent posts!

What's the difference between what I post and what you post?

I can provide evidence to support what I post. You on the other hand have to resort to name calling and "monkey business" to support what you post.

One would think that for a guy that puts as much stock in "'crediblility" as you do you'd at least be able to support what you say with some actual honest to goodness evidence. See definition above.

But apparently you're having some difficulty finding it among all the "mainstream" corporate sponsored allegations.

Here's how our "disscusions" usually go . . .

OR says, "Russia Invaded And Occupied Crimea!"

Poncho says, "show me the proof".

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist or I'll sick my monkey on you!"

Poncho says, "under the partition treaty signed by Russia and Ukraine, Russia is allowed to have up to 25,000 troops in Crimea"

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist or I'll sick my monkey on you!"

Poncho says, "Under the terms of this treaty Russia is allowed to have up to 25,000 troops, 24 artillery systems 100 mm or smaller, 132 armored vehicles and 22 military aircraft in Crimea."

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist or I'll sick my monkey on you!"

Poncho says, "Okay then show me the proof (see definition above) you have that Russia has indeed 'invaded and occupied' Crimea."

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist I already gave you the proof, Mark P. Lagon said; 'On March 18, 2014, the Kremlin followed its illegal invasion of Crimea by officially annexing the peninsula."

Poncho says, "That's not proof, that's an allegation (see definition above) with no supporting evidence (see definition above). I asked for evidence not another allegation. BTW I can only view everything your "source" is claiming if I register with WSJ and pay Rupert Murdoch a dollar a week for the "privilege" of reading the rest of Mark P. Lagon's baseless (see definition below) allegations.

Baseless: without foundation in fact

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist all you ever post is BULL, Na Na Na Na Na Na!"

Poncho Says, "I think you must have "evidence" (see definition above) and "BULL" (see definition below) confused OR. I've gone to great lengths to explain exactly what the difference between an unfounded "allegation" and "evidence" is. I even posted links to the definitions to make it easier for you to understand.

Bull: an uncastrated male bovine animal.

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist or I'll sick my monkey on you, Russia invaded and occupied Crimea, Mark P. Lagon said so!!! He has big time corporate sponsors so it must be true!!!"

Poncho says, "I don't suppose you're ever going to understand that saying something and proving it are two different things."

OR says, "shut up conspiracy theorist or I'll sick my monkey on you all you ever post is BULL!!!"

Poncho says, :tonofbricks:

Meanwhile back in Crimea one year on . . .

Russian Crimea: One Year Later

NATO calls Crimea "invaded" and "occupied." NATO has taught the world well what invasion and occupation really looks like, and Crimea isn't it.

< snip >

In 2003, NATO-members joined the United States in the invasion and subsequent occupation of Iraq. An estimated 1 million people would lose their lives, including thousands of Western troops. For nearly a decade the United State occupied Iraq, and during its attempts to prop up a suitable client regime, laid waste to the nation. American forces in their bid to exercise control over the Iraqi population would conduct sweeping assaults on entire cities. The city of Fallujah would be leveled nearly to the ground, twice.

The US also maintained prison camps across the entire nation. Some vast and spanning, others dark and secret, including the infamous Abu Ghraib prison and the atrocities carried out there. In addition to Western armed forces, a significant number of paid mercenaries participated in both the occupation and the atrocities carried out during it, including the mass killing of civilians resulting in criminal cases still reverberating through Western legal systems and undermining Western credibility worldwide.

This is what real invasions and occupations look like. The armed entrance into a nation, the absolute subjugation of all its people through maximum force - or as the US calls it "shock and awe" - and an occupation by gunpoint with tanks and troops in the streets of a people who do not want them there, and who are willing to fight and die to drive them out.

Continue . . . http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/

Poncho says, "that's what an invasion and occupation actually looks like. Can you show me where that has happened in Crimea OR?"

I'll go ahead and re-post all the "evidence" CMG has provided in this thread now so he doesn't have to strain himself repeating it.



Anyone care to guess what OR's next reply will be? Will he show us some actual evidence this time or will he call me a conspiracy theorist and threaten to sick his monkey on me again?

Now for some real BULL from Faux Snews.

Fox ‘News’ ‘Expert’ Says We Must “Start Killing Russians.”

On this video from Fox ‘News':

At 3:30, Lou Dobbs asks the Fox Noise military analyst: “What do you expect” in Ukraine?

At 3:35 he answers: “In the Ukraine, the only way that the United States can have any effect in this region and turn the tide is to start killing Russians … killing so many Russians that even Putin’s media can’t hide the fact that Russians are returning to the motherland in body bags.”



Continue . . . http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/03/fox-news-expert-says-must-start-killing-russians-disagree.html

Notice that Fox's "expert" claims there are "12,000 Russian troops in Ukraine" but offers no evidence to support this claim.



In that case then Faux Snews "expert" is calling General Viktor Muzhenko (the general of the whole Ukrainian army appointed by Poroshenko) a liar.

Because on Friday January 29, 2015 Ukraine General Viktor Muzhenko admitted his army is not fighting against Russian troops.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNx2DvY3qaw

I guess OR missed this bit of information again. This is what the fourth or fifth time he's missed (overlooked, ignored) it now?

Apparently Faux Snews "expert" either missed this bit of information or he is overlooking/ignoring it and lying through his teeth.

What that's you say? Faux Snews doesn't lie or have liars on their programs?

PunditFact, a sister site of PolitiFact dedicated to fact-checking pundits and talking heads, last looked at its network scorecards in September. The scorecards measure statements made by a pundit or a host or paid contributor on a particular network. They do not include statements made by elected leaders, declared candidates or party officials.

So what’s the latest tally?

At Fox and Fox News, 10 percent of the claims PunditFact has rated have been True, 11 percent Mostly True, 18 percent Half True, 21 percent Mostly False, 31 percent False and nine percent Pants on Fire.

That means about 60 percent of the claims checked have been rated Mostly False or worse. Here’s how it breaks down (as of Jan. 27, 2015):

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/jan/29/punditfact-checks-cable-news-channels/

Anyone who wants to see what a disingenuous piece of dung you are ponch can go to the links!

 

[OldRegular]

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=98694

16 of 95 posts by OldRegular
49 of 95 posts by ponch

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=95197 <---- start with this one.

2 of 127 posts by OldRegular
73 of 127 posts by ponch

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=92336

31 of 122 posts by OldRegular
11 of 122 posts by ponch

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=99951&highlight=show+proof

2 of 66 posts by OldRegular
34 of 66 posts by ponch

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=92615

0 of 53 posts by Old Regular
24 of 53 posts by ponch

Do any of these jog your memory OR?

Notice a pattern here folks? I keep asking for evidence and the two amigos keep doing everything they can (some of it child like and totally ridiculous) to conceal the fact they don't have any.

One uses a monkey and the other a worn out fallacy. It's hard to believe either of them are adults.

There is a pattern ponch.

 

[poncho]

Yes there is.a pattern I keep introducing evidence and you keep calling it "bull crap".

I keep introducing evidence and CMG keeps keeps trying to to use Jedi minds tricks on the readers.

It breaks down (in just these few threads) like this, 174 of my posts introducing evidence and the rest are you and CMG introducing foolishness.

What makes you guys think your foolishness is more credible than the evidence?

If you're having a hard time finding your monkey OR, you might try looking here . . . http://wreg.com/2015/07/09/monkey-on-the-loose-at-memphis-zoo/