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President Trump advised to resign

KenH

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Principled conservatives love Trump.

Barry Goldwater's "The Conscience of a Conservative" was the first political book I read. Also, read Robert Ringer's "Restoring the American Dream" and "In Defense of Freedom: A Conservative Credo" by Frank S. Meyer. Books that led me to be a dues paying member of the Libertarian Party for about 36 years.

"Among the wreckage wrought by President Trump is the death knell of the classical conservatism advanced by Barry Goldwater and William Buckley a half-century ago.

In high school, I was captivated by the vision elucidated by Goldwater in “The Conscience of a Conservative”: Limited government. Local control. Respect for the Constitution and rule of law. Protection of privacy and individual autonomy. Opposition to totalitarian ideologies which stifle individual enterprise and the human spirit. “The enemy of freedom,” Goldwater wrote, “is unrestrained power” — including corporate power."

Donald Trump and the death of principled conservatism - The Boston Globe
 

Calminian

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Barry Goldwater's "The Conscience of a Conservative" was the first political book I read. Also, read Robert Ringer's "Restoring the American Dream" and "In Defense of Freedom: A Conservative Credo" by Frank S. Meyer. Books that led me to be a dues paying member of the Libertarian Party for about 36 years.

"Among the wreckage wrought by President Trump is the death knell of the classical conservatism advanced by Barry Goldwater and William Buckley a half-century ago.

In high school, I was captivated by the vision elucidated by Goldwater in “The Conscience of a Conservative”: Limited government. Local control. Respect for the Constitution and rule of law. Protection of privacy and individual autonomy. Opposition to totalitarian ideologies which stifle individual enterprise and the human spirit. “The enemy of freedom,” Goldwater wrote, “is unrestrained power” — including corporate power."

Donald Trump and the death of principled conservatism - The Boston Globe

Goldwater would have been on the Trump train big league. Mainly because he was a real conservative. Many real conservatives were concerned at first, but they're now onboard. Because they're real. Several others are still not on board, like Bill Kristol, etc. They've proven themselves liberals.
 

KenH

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They've proven themselves liberals.

Such a silly statement. You are no more the guardian of who is a "real" principled conservative than I am. It is just your opinion. And my opinion is that there are some principled conservatives who support Trump even though his hardcore base has no use for them and that just because a principled conservative doesn't support Trump does not make him a liberal.
 

Calminian

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Such a silly statement. You are no more the guardian of who is a "real" principled conservative than I am. ......

Trump's conservatism is evidenced most but those who criticize him. You're part of the evidence.
 

Yeshua1

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Such a silly statement. You are no more the guardian of who is a "real" principled conservative than I am. It is just your opinion. And my opinion is that there are some principled conservatives who support Trump even though his hardcore base has no use for them and that just because a principled conservative doesn't support Trump does not make him a liberal.
those who stand for freedom of speech and religion, for lower taxes, for smaller govt, for a strong US morally/ecomonomocally/military, and who want to have real proders protection are by definition conservatives, and trump is one of us in that regard!
 

HankD

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Barry Goldwater's "The Conscience of a Conservative" was the first political book I read. Also, read Robert Ringer's "Restoring the American Dream" and "In Defense of Freedom: A Conservative Credo" by Frank S. Meyer. Books that led me to be a dues paying member of the Libertarian Party for about 36 years.

"Among the wreckage wrought by President Trump is the death knell of the classical conservatism advanced by Barry Goldwater and William Buckley a half-century ago.

In high school, I was captivated by the vision elucidated by Goldwater in “The Conscience of a Conservative”: Limited government. Local control. Respect for the Constitution and rule of law. Protection of privacy and individual autonomy. Opposition to totalitarian ideologies which stifle individual enterprise and the human spirit. “The enemy of freedom,” Goldwater wrote, “is unrestrained power” — including corporate power."

Donald Trump and the death of principled conservatism - The Boston Globe

The real enemy IMO is individual corruption. For me Trump (at the time of the primaries) was the lesser of two evils.

Term limits of the houses would provide additional help against "Tribalism".

I too identify with the Libertarian Party - late in life however.

You know that Hillary Rodham Clinton was a "Goldwater Girl"?
 

Yeshua1

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The real enemy IMO is individual corruption. For me Trump (at the time of the primaries) was the lesser of two evils.

Term limits of the houses would provide additional help against "Tribalism".

I too identify with the Libertarian Party - late in life however.

You know that Hillary Rodham Clinton was a "Goldwater Girl"?
Many who identify with the libertarian party seem to be anti Military for some reason...
 

Reynolds

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Since when you do you get to decide who is a "real' Republican? However, I would like to see the honorable men and women who still remain in the Republican Party leave and form a new center-right party and leave the remains of their former party to the Trumpists and let it wither on the vine. After all, there are only so many older white folks in the United States and the natural course of life is reducing their number daily.
It is easy to decide who the real Republicans are. The real Republicans try to keep their campaign promises and vote according to the platform. The RINOs campaign as ultra right wing conservatives and then act like centrists while in office.
 

Yeshua1

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The GOP is no longer the party of Reagan; it is the party of Trump. The hardcore Trump base has no use for principled conservatives. They just follow Trump wherever he leads them.
The policies that reagon supported though semm to be the same ones trump is also!
The Dem party was the one of Clinton, then Obama, and now Birney and his ilk!
 

Revmitchell

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Barry Goldwater's "The Conscience of a Conservative" was the first political book I read. Also, read Robert Ringer's "Restoring the American Dream" and "In Defense of Freedom: A Conservative Credo" by Frank S. Meyer. Books that led me to be a dues paying member of the Libertarian Party for about 36 years.

"Among the wreckage wrought by President Trump is the death knell of the classical conservatism advanced by Barry Goldwater and William Buckley a half-century ago.

In high school, I was captivated by the vision elucidated by Goldwater in “The Conscience of a Conservative”: Limited government. Local control. Respect for the Constitution and rule of law. Protection of privacy and individual autonomy. Opposition to totalitarian ideologies which stifle individual enterprise and the human spirit. “The enemy of freedom,” Goldwater wrote, “is unrestrained power” — including corporate power."

Donald Trump and the death of principled conservatism - The Boston Globe

It was dead long before Trump came along.
 

atpollard

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I'm pretty conservative, but even I have to admit that I question whether it is necessary for the US Military to spend more than the next 10 countries combined.
 

Yeshua1

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I'm pretty conservative, but even I have to admit that I question whether it is necessary for the US Military to spend more than the next 10 countries combined.
As long as we have N Korea, Russia,isalmic terrorists, etc...
 

Yeshua1

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Not so. Sanders’ candidates are not doing so well in the Democratic primaries.

“Bernie Sanders is sputtering.

Two years after his defeat in the 2016 presidential primary, the Vermont senator has amassed a growing string of losses in races in which he has intervened.“

Bernie and his army are losing 2018
The democratic heart and soul is no longer with the old line, its with the socialists fridge!
 

KenH

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The democratic heart and soul is no longer with the old line, its with the socialists fridge!

Then why is rhe “socialist fringe” having such a hard time winning Democratic primaries? I’ll tell you why - because most of us Democrats are center to center-left.
 
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